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On this date in 1991, Rickey Henderson became the all-time stolen base leader, notching his 939th swipe to pass Lou Brock. Exactly one year later, on May 1, 1992, Rickey Henderson stole his 1000th stolen base. He remains the only player to reach four-digit territory, and will probably remain there forever by himself. He played 11 seasons after No. 1,000, adding 406 more bases to his all-time total. 

To give this more perspective, only one player in baseball has as many career stolen bases as Rickey swiped after that millennial swipe: That would be Juan Pierre, who at age 31 is an offensive player so limited that he has only been penciled into the starting lineup three times this season. He has 424 career stolen bases and it doesn't seem likely he'll reach 500, much less challenge anyone for their spot among history's greatest basepath thieves.

Truth is, the career stolen base list has barely changed since Henderson stole No. 939. The top 14 hasn't been touched since April 21, 1996, when Vince Coleman stole his 745th base to move to sixth on the all-time list, just behind Tim Raines, who reached fifth on September 4, 1993. (Kenny Lofton moved past Otis Nixon for 15th in 2007.)

But while the top of the stolen base list has remained untouched for more than a decade it doesn't come close to the toughest category for a modern player to infiltrate — triples.

Roberto Clemente, 27th on the all-time list, is the most recent player in the top 50 for triples, and he died in 1972.  So while Rickey Henderson is holder of the second-most impregnable offensive record in all of baseball, Sam Crawford can claim a stronger grip since he has held the triples record with 309 three-baggers since 1913. Thanks to modern defense and park construction, it's safe to assume that he'll keep it forever.

Still, it's hard to imagine that Rickey Henderson's record, which turns 18 years old today, is any less untouchable. (Sorry, Juan.)

You can read more of Alex Remington at Chop-n-Change, an Atlanta Braves blog. 

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  1. nobody k
    1. Posted by nobody k Fri May 01, 2009 11:41 am EDT

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    two untouchable records, but the most untouchable one, even moreso than triples or steals, has to be wins. How is anyone ever going to to top 511 wins? or even 400 wins? or even 300?
    The pitch counts, innings limits, the 5 man rotation, all these things make it impossible for even the greatest modern pitchers to win 20 games regularly. Johan Santana is the best pitcher of his generation and because of the modern game has trouble winning 15 games. At that rate, it would take him twenty consecutive seasons just to win 300 games. To win 400 games requires a pitcher to average 20 wins a season over a 20-year career. Neither of those things happen. So another 111 wins on top of that? Impossible.
    CC Sabathia has been a top shelf starter for almost ten seasons and still has won only 120 or so games. Halladay, Peavy, Webb, Oswalt, Zambrano, all these great pitchers actually have meager win totals for their careers when compared with past generations of pitchers. It would be an achievement to get half of Cy Young's win total, let alone pass it. Which will never happen.
  2. Mister Tater
    2. Posted by Mister Tater Fri May 01, 2009 11:44 am EDT

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    What about Nolan Ryan's strikeout record, or his 7 no hitters? Dont see either of those being challenged.
  3. Mickey D.
    3. Posted by Mickey D. Fri May 01, 2009 11:44 am EDT

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    Was there an introductory post for Alex Remington somewhere? Are they going to be a regular poster?
  4. Tanikaze
    4. Posted by Tanikaze Fri May 01, 2009 11:59 am EDT

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    Cy Young's record for career complete games.
  5. Duk
    5. Posted by 'Duk Fri May 01, 2009 12:03 pm EDT

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    Cy Young's record will never be topped, but at least you've had Clemens and Maddux climbing up those ranks in recent years. As for Nolan's no-hitters, I think that's a different kind of argument considering the rarity of the achievement.
  6. Sobu
    6. Posted by Sobu Fri May 01, 2009 12:05 pm EDT

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    Tater, a freakish streak by any pitcher could topple 7 no hitters in less than a season. That's not to say it'll happen, but it's definitely different that 1409 steals and 309 triples in home run friendly ball parks.
  7. mikey
    7. Posted by mikey Fri May 01, 2009 12:12 pm EDT

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    Or Ted Williams lifetime OBP
  8. Jim M
    8. Posted by Jim M Fri May 01, 2009 12:22 pm EDT

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    Cal Ripken's consecutive games played? The Ironman?!?!?!
  9. Shaun T
    9. Posted by Shaun T Fri May 01, 2009 12:25 pm EDT

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    Back to Back no hitters will never be broken...
    No one is going to go back to back to tie, much less back to back to back to break it.
  10. Z'
    10. Posted by Z' Fri May 01, 2009 12:30 pm EDT

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    Cy Young's win total is the most untouchable record. 15 seasons winning 30 games in each, and you're still 61 short.
  11. Go ChiSox
    11. Posted by Go ChiSox Fri May 01, 2009 12:42 pm EDT

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    I am so glad that people on here are recognizing Cy Young's win total as the most untouchable. I swear, I am SOO sick of hearing about Cal Ripken's as being the most unbreakable...I mean, it's impressive, and he was great, but let's be realistic here, that could be broken one day by a durable player. Bottom line- you could win 25 games for 20 straight years and still not break it? Never will happen. Thank the lord that the people on here see that (well most of them anyway!). I was watching a special on baseball's most unbreakable records and Cy Young's was number 6!!!! I mean COME ONE!!! number's one and two were Dimaggio's 56 games, and Cal's Iron Man streak, but honestly I would bet my life 100000 times over that those would go down before Cy Young's win total. Thanks for being smart baseball fans...and 'Duk proves that he knows what is up to!
  12. Alex Remington
    12. Posted by Alex Remington Fri May 01, 2009 1:52 pm EDT

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    Yeah, I was only writing about offensive counting stats -- I'm sorry that the word "offensive" didn't appear. Cy's record is surely unbreakable, and I think the same's true of Nolan's K's.
    I'm hoping I will be regular from here on out, so allow myself to introduce... myself. As it says above, I blog about the Atlanta Braves at Chop-n-Change. I'm from Atlanta originally but live in Washington, DC, where I work at the Washington Post. (My opinions are, obviously, my own.) I also blog about entertainment at Huffington Post.
  13. Mat M
    13. Posted by Mat M Fri May 01, 2009 1:54 pm EDT

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    .400
  14. Randall K
    14. Posted by Randall K Fri May 01, 2009 2:04 pm EDT

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    the point of the article wasn't which TOP record was unreachable, it was which category has NO movement in the ranks in a long time. there is no question that cy young's record will never be broken. it's 25 wins a year for 20 + years or 20 wins a year for 25+ years. we get it, it won't be broken. HOWEVER, mr. remington's thoughts were on records that don't even have anyone climbing the ranks in recent times (maddux and clemens are currently number 8 & 9 in career wins - that's climbing the ranks). triples and steals seem to be artifacts of the past. ripken may be the reason for that. defense AND offensive prowess - you gotta have both to play shortstop/outfield in the major leagues now boys.......and it may have sealed the deal on glove/speed only guys for a long, long while.
  15. Alex Remington
    15. Posted by Alex Remington Fri May 01, 2009 2:17 pm EDT

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    Well, Rickey wasn't just a glove/speed guy. Like Bill James said, you could split him into two players and they'd each be Hall of Famers. He slugged around .420 for his career and hit almost 300 homers.
    Brett Butler's more prototypical of the kind of glove/speed/walks guy (the "prototypical leadoff hitter") you don't really see any more. Lofton, to some extent, who outslugged Rickey for his career but frankly did so mostly by outtripling him. Juan Pierre's a total speed guy -- no power and his arm sucks -- and baseball is basically passing him by.
    Tim Raines, however, should be in the Hall of Fame right now.
  16. Tom
    16. Posted by Tom Fri May 01, 2009 3:15 pm EDT

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    Huh? Rickey Henderson was hardly a glove/speed only guy... 297 career homers, look it up. And a .401 career OBP. Some of the guys on the SB list (Vince Coleman) certainly were, but guys like Henderson and Brock weren't. They had enough power to keep pitchers honest.
  17. T.J.
    17. Posted by T.J. Fri May 01, 2009 3:57 pm EDT

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    Dimaggio's 56 game hit streak hasn't been treatened in a long time either! When is the last time someone even reached 40? Pete Rose maybe...
  18. BruceP
    18. Posted by BruceP Fri May 01, 2009 4:42 pm EDT

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    DiMaggio's record won't be broken, but it's not really a lifetime record. A hitting streak may go over two seasons but is hardly likely to extend beyond that. Ty Cobb, on the other hand, batted .367 over a 22 year career. There has been no real movement in decades among the leaders. The only modern player in the top 20 for lifetime batting average is Tony Gwynn at #20. The only active player is Albert Pujols at #26. As an aside, Cobb and Crawford were teammates (although hardly friends).
  19. Alex Remington
    19. Posted by Alex Remington Fri May 01, 2009 4:43 pm EDT

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    Joe D's record is awfully hard to top, but some day someone probably will. Still, I'm not really talking about streaks. I'm talking about counting stats.
    Pete's the last guy who topped 40. Jimmy Rollins came awfully close a couple years ago, though. So did Luis Castillo and Chase Utley.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitting_streak
  20. GO CUSE!
    20. Posted by GO 'CUSE! Fri May 01, 2009 4:52 pm EDT

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    Cy Young's win record is the safest. It will be very rare for a pitcher starting their career now to get even HALF of Young's win total.
  21. Moose
    21. Posted by Moose Fri May 01, 2009 4:55 pm EDT

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    Don't forget Pete Rose hits record
  22. GO CUSE!
    22. Posted by GO 'CUSE! Fri May 01, 2009 4:57 pm EDT

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    Cy Young's record of 7,350 innings pitched is pretty safe too. Greg Maddux has "only" 5,000 by comparison so Maddux would have to pitch 240 innings a year for the next decade to top that one.
  23. blackhercules
    23. Posted by blackhercules Fri May 01, 2009 5:18 pm EDT

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    I wish I could hear some real MLB Players share their thoughts on this topic.
  24. sam spade
    24. Posted by sam spade Fri May 01, 2009 5:30 pm EDT

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    i agree. Many if not most of baseball's records are subject to analysis. Cy Young's record of 511 can be easily challenge because many of the teams; although professional were of major league quality. How many wins did he have against the Toledo Mud Hens. Joe DiaMaggio played in that last Great White Season of 1941 with Ted Williams. It seem to harked to the days when the game would be drastically different with players of all colors. Nolan Ryan and Cal Ripken. It's difficult or next to impossible to say that a player from and old era is better than one from the modern era. I believe that is the ultimate baseball disagreement. But one thing is certain; Rickey Henderson is the Greatest Of All Time; and we will never see anyone break his record.
  25. John
    25. Posted by John Fri May 01, 2009 6:05 pm EDT

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    the first post has it right -- cy young's is the unbreakable feat. clemens won several cy youngs, and pitched effectively past 40 (with a little help from his friends) and still ends up 10 years short of cy young's record.
    rickie's ranks up there as a near-untouchable with others like dimaggio's, ryan's lifetime k's and no-hitters, hugh duffy's .440 batting average, cobb's lifetime .367 batting average, babe ruth's lifetime slugging % and ted williams obp.
    in theory, it's always possible that a freakish athlete -- say if you combined ichiro suzuki with hussein bolt -- could break rickie's record, but it's highly unlikely.
    the only way that cy's record is ever broken is if one of 2 scenarios happen:
    1) science figures out a way for a starting pitcher to pitch on 2 days rest and pitch 30 years.
    2) baseball loses 99% of its popularity and the only guys left playing throw 80mph fastballs.

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