Tue Jun 30, 2009 3:48 pm EDT
In the wake of Mariano Rivera(notes) earning his 500th save on Sunday night, an interesting debate has been born in the blogosphere.
Mariano Rivera or Derek Jeter(notes)?
There's no doubt that both were the two biggest titans not named Joe Torre during the championship years and it's hard to imagine the Yankees winning without either future Hall of Famer wearing pinstripes.
But for argument's sake, if you were Bob Watson back in 1996 and someone came to you with the future numbers of both Jeter and Rivera and said you could only keep one, which one would you be tabbing as your franchise player for the next 15-20 years?
My kneejerk reaction, of course, was to say "Derek Jeter, duh" and I'm assuming that it's probably the same for many of you. He plays every day, has rarely seen a season that ended with a sub-.300 average and has become the face of the franchise.
Rivera, though, is getting support from a lot of corners. Ed Valentine from Pinstripe Alley says he'd take Mo over The Captain. Radio maven Sweeny Murti says Rivera's impact on the Yankees is only surpassed by Babe Ruth's. When I think about how difficult it is to build a bullpen year after year, the consistency of Rivera suddenly becomes a huge selling point.
However, I'm eager to see what the loyal Stewies think, so cast your vote and make your argument in the comments below. Two favorite 'Stripes, one roster spot. Who gets it?
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0-1 Without him as far as playoff appearances go.
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Jeter is one of the toughest outs in baseball and he's one of the most clutch and consistent players of all time. He's a career .316 hitter and is going to end his career with over 3,500 hits. However, there are a handful of players in the record books with those type of numbers. Mo is the best closer of all time without a doubt. He has the most post season saves of all times and he's only 1 of 2 closers with 500 saves in their careers. So if you look at it that way, Mo's more valuable in the sense that he's basically in a league of his own whereas Jeter is in the company of a handful of greats. My answer than is Mo. Sorry Derek...
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#4 - A huge reason why very few people have 500 saves is because the role of a ninth-inning closer only came to prominence recently (in terms of the lifespan of the MLB).
I vote for Jeter because of his position, though. An All-Star at a premium position like shortstop, is far more valuable than a closer. Great closers shouldn't be as rare as they are. There aren't many because those top pitchers are usually in starting rotations. Mo couldn't make it as a starter. Then he became a great closer. Smoltz, and even Joba and Hughes showed that an above-average starter can turn into a star closer fairly easily.
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You can't compete with that.
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Besides, Jeter's selfish. He refused to surrender his position to an obviously superior A-Rod, and in my books, refusing to do what's in the best interests of your team, should get you canned.
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Rivera is probably the greatest closer of all-time, but that doesn't make him comparable to an all-star starting SS on multiple championship teams.
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When Rivera begins to fail, there will be no one there to pick up the slack because the game will already be over. If Jeter doesn't come through on a big hit someone else can. Plus you can move him to left, or DH.
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RIvera is also overrated, though for entirely different reasons. Closers are overrated. Saves are too easy to get, for a decent pitcher. Rivera has thrown more than 80 innings just twice in his career, and it's hard to think that 80 great innings are really more valuable than 200 really good innings. Even if he's the best 75-inning pitcher of all time, and the levage of those innings is greater than the 200 would be, he's still a 75-inning pitcher.
So, there might be some debate about the value of starting pitchers vs. every day players, but how can anyone say that a reliever is more valuable than a position player of equal quality? You've got to go with the every day player.
What does that leave? Could the greatest closer (75 innings) of all time really be better than the 700 plate appearance Hall of Fame shortstop -- who does not have any claim to being even one of the top 5? The Yankees have paid Jeter 60% over his career, which strongly indicates that they -- and baseball -- think the Jeter is more valuable.
Last, I think we can address an aspect of scarcity. Rivera has supplied consistency in the closer position, something that most teams lack. There is value to the team in knowing in January that you don't need to worry about the closer losing it. However, shortstop's with consistent all-star offensive value are just as hard to find. (Look at what has happened to other teams with great shortstops during Jeter's career. The Red Sox have gone through a half dozen, and it's been a hole in the line up. The Mariners and Rangers have not found all-star replacements for A-Rod, and Tejada has not been replaced well.) If you know that you can above average production at plate from your shortstop, it makes building the rest of the team that much easier.
Though I think that Jeter might be the most overrated player in the game -- perhaps the most overrated in the last 20-30 years -- he has still been far more valuable than Rivera.
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No brainer - take Jeter and don't think twice.
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Honestly, without either of these guys I don't think Torre's Yankees have the same run in fact there probably would not have been a dynasty at all for those Yankees.
I think I would choose Jeter because he plays and leads everyday. But I know how important Rivera was especially in the playoffs and I really feel you could cut their shared World Series appearances and titles in half without him.
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