Position Primer: Tight End

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Cliques have been and always will be omnipresent throughout American high school culture. Preps, jocks, geeks, Goth kids, stoners, Eminem wannabes and all sub-groups in-between, create a complex social hierarchy. Membership in one or multiple groups can determine whether you’re cuddling cheerleaders or building hit points on your World of Warcraft dwarven warrior on a Friday night.

Comparative reference groups are also pervasive in fantasy football leagues. Observe any draft this season and you’re bound to encounter RB-heavy theorists, QB reachers, best available supporters and, though rare, kicker canoodlers. Believe it or not, some owners foster such a severe man-crush for Stephen Gostkowski(notes) they ignorantly draft him well before the Mr. Irrelevant round.

However, in virtual pigskin, conformity can be a killer. Too often weak-minded owners fall victim to the deadliest form of forced fantasy integration: positional runs. In many cases, these bandwagon scenarios mislead drafters into thinking once a high-tiered commodity comes off the board the next best available must be acquired immediately before Jeremy Shockey(notes) suddenly becomes a necessary evil. Every year, owners pocket their medical cards knowing they may snap tendons for a quarterback or, especially, a tight end.

At some point this drafting season, you will be faced with a very difficult decision: Should I bypass quality talent at a thinner position now for a tight end before the inevitable run occurs?

The answer: No.

This season, tight end is arguably the deepest and most balanced it’s ever been. Unlike other premium positions, the tier-to-tier drop-off is far less steep. Essentially, circumventing elite tight ends for the best available at RB and WR is the ideal strategy.

To illustrate this point, examine the charts below. Using projections data from the Yahoo!/Pro Football Weekly fantasy magazine (On sale now!), forecasted points per game outputs were mined and averaged at each positional level to denote the tier-to-tier decline for TEs versus comparable QB/RB/WR.

Chart key:
APPG=Projected points per game average among tier
TDiff=Tier differential from top
* Tiers are based on ADP data pulled from Mock Draft Central.
*Scoring follows standard settings

TIGHT END TIERS

TierAPPGTDiff
TE Tier 18.8
TE Tier 27.9-0.9
TE Tier 37.0-1.8

QUARTERBACK TIERS

TierAPPGTDiff
QB Tier 319.6
QB Tier 418.2-1.4
QB Tier 518.2-1.4

RUNNING BACK TIERS

TierAPPGTDiff
RB Tier 512.4
RB Tier 611.0-1.4
RB Tier 79.9-2.5

WIDE RECEIVER TIERS

TierAPPGTDiff
WR Tier 49.8
WR Tier 58.8-1.0
WR Tier 67.8-2.0

What the charts tell us:

1) Due to the harsher decline at RB, higher APPG among receivers and starting requirements in most leagues (2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE), passing over the Witten/Gates/Gonzalez bunch for the best available RB/WR is a sage tactic.

2) The Tier 2 TE group (Dallas Clark(notes), Kellen Winslow(notes), Chris Cooley(notes) and Greg Olsen(notes)) is composed of the best value picks at the position. Per ADP values, they will largely be available between Rounds 5-7 in 12-team drafts.

3) As an ADP outlier (42.9), Jason Witten(notes) is unquestionably overvalued. Owners who draft the Dallas monolith in the fourth round of 12-teamers will likely concede any chance at a dependable QB1, RB2/3 or WR2/3. In the upper-tier, Gates and Gonzalez are equal to Witten in projected production but will probably be available a round later.

4) On a side note: If you don’t draft a top-flight QB early and avoid third tier options, a bevy of equal-footed choices will be available between picks 60-100.

Naturally, our prognostications are hardly foolproof and owners’ picks from Round 4 on will be heavily influenced by their first three turns, but the exercise above lends insight into how much value and depth exists at tight end this season. A number of young, highly-skilled commodities in favorable positions (i.e. Owen Daniels(notes), Greg Olsen and John Carlson(notes)) are sure to exceed their ADPs. Similar to the Noise’s conclusion on quarterbacks, instituting a patience policy for TEs is a very wise move.

So this year, instead of playing follow-the-leader when the inevitable tight end run occurs, brandish the Heisman, draft the best available QB/RB/WR and aim for the second and third tiers.

Here are the flames, lames and fresh names at tight end this season:

Tight End – Tiers
– Jason Witten, Antonio Gates(notes), Tony Gonzalez(notes), Dallas Clark

– Kellen Winslow, Greg Olsen, Chris Cooley

– Owen Daniels, John Carlson, Zach Miller

Dustin Keller(notes), Visanthe Shiancoe(notes), Jeremy Shockey, Heath Miller(notes), Brent Celek(notes), Anthony Fasano(notes)

Tony Scheffler(notes), Kevin Boss(notes), Bo Scaife(notes), Vernon Davis(notes)

Donald Lee(notes), Brandon Pettigrew(notes), Shawn Nelson(notes), Marcedes Lewis(notes), David Martin(notes), Robert Royal(notes), Randy McMichael(notes), Todd Heap(notes), L.J. Smith(notes), Daniel Graham(notes), Desmond Clark(notes), Martellus Bennett(notes), Benjamin Watson(notes)

Top 5 Tight Ends – Overall

Andy Behrens

Brandon Funston

Scott Pianowski
1.) Antonio Gates – You’re not going to be disappointed with any of the top four; try not to pay a premium. Gates impressively managed 8 TDs in an injury-plagued ’08. 1.) Antonio Gates – You’ll find my 250 words on why Gates should be the top TE here. 1.) Jason WittenTony Romo’s(notes) best buddy figures to be the first read in any key situation.
2.) Jason Witten – He was second among TEs in targets last year (121), and TO’s departure could bring even more attention (both from Romo and opposing Ds). 2.) Jason Witten – A receptions machine, but his TD track record pales next to Gates. 2.) Antonio Gates – Injuries more than anything else sunk him last year (toe, hip, ankle); keep him healthy and he’s the gold standard at this position.
3.) Dallas Clark – After finishing ’08 as the No. 2 fantasy scorer at his position, Clark figures to get additional work in the post-Harrison era. 3.) Tony Gonzalez – New team, new scheme, more mouths to feed … his 73/900/5 line from ’06-’07 looks more likely than a repeat of last season. 3.) Dallas Clark – You’ll drink for free on this bar-trivia question: Who’s got the most red-zone catches among WRs and TEs over the last two years? The Colts do a great job dictating matchups with the movable Clark.
4.) Tony Gonzalez – I refuse to believe the Falcons added the NFL’s all-time tight end simply for his blocking. He might not get 100 catches, but he’ll remain great. 4.) Dallas Clark – He’s been a top five fantasy tight end two years running and he’ll continue to be used heavily with Marvin Harrison(notes) gone and no proven No. 3 WR in the fold. 4.) Tony Gonzalez – He’s hungry for some playoff success, but how much responsibility will Matt Ryan(notes) get in the red zone?
5.) Greg Olsen – With Cutler at the controls, expect a leap in fantasy value. Olsen is the Bears’ top receiving threat. 5.) Chris Cooley – Claims that he’s been guaranteed at least six TDs this season, which – combined with his 849 yards – would have made him the No. 2 TE in ’08. 5.) Owen Daniels – A whopping 133 grabs over the last two years, and the low TD count is a touch on the fluky side.

Top 5 Tight Ends – Overvalued

Andy Behrens

Brandon Funston

Scott Pianowski
1.) No. 1 TE in your draft – Check the note in my Gates blurb above. There’s depth at this position, and no tight end is the clear No. 1 entering the year. 1.) Jason Witten – Only because the majority sentiment in the fantasy community is that it’s Witten and then everyone else. 1.) Kellen Winslow – I don’t trust the quarterbacks in Tampa, and betting on Winslow still feels like a speculation play (11 TDs in 44 games).
2.) Owen Daniels – We all love the Texans’ offense, and Daniels delivers plenty of catches and yardage. But he’s only crossed the goal line five times over Houston’s past 41 games. 2.) Zach Miller – You can’t deny his talent, but finding the end zone is likely to continue to be a problem – Oakland has finished in the bottom 10 in offense four straight seasons. 2.) Jeremy Shockey – He never plays a full season and he never found the end zone in 2008. If you can’t thrive in a Drew Brees(notes) offense, you’re dead to me.
3.) Zach Miller – Again, the problem is the lack of TDs. Miller was everyone’s sleeper TE in ’08, but he found the end zone just once. 3.) John Carlson – Tough to say this because I’m a Seattle fan and I love the guy, but he was forced into a go-to role as a rookie out of necessity. Additions/improved health at WR and more ground-game emphasis will likely rein Carlson in a bit in ’09. 3.) Tony Scheffler – He’s got a lot of skills, just not the ones Josh McDaniels is looking for.
4.) Tony Scheffler – He’s in Josh McDaniels’ offense and without Cutler? No thanks. 4.) Heath Miller – He’s generally only overvalued by one out of every 10-12 people … you know, that one guy who always takes him too early in your fantasy draft? 4.) John Carlson – He had five games under 15 yards last year; Carlson is a nice player but not really a dynamic, unstoppable option. And T.J. Houshmandzadeh(notes) is another mouth to feed.
5.) Dustin Keller – Love the player; don’t like his quarterback situation. Keller will be a popular sleeper, but I’m not bullish on the Jets’ offense. 5.) Jeremy Shockey – It’s hard to play a key role in New Orleans’ offense for 12 games without scoring. That he had just six red-zone targets tells me that Brees isn’t his biggest fan. 5.) Vernon Davis – A little Schadenfreude here – we need more Mike Singletary rants in 2009.

Top 5 Tight Ends – Undervalued

Andy Behrens

Brandon Funston

Scott Pianowski
1.) Greg Olsen – Based on opportunity and talent, he clearly has a chance to crack the top-tier at the position in 2010. If healthy, this will be a breakout year. 1.) Chris Cooley– 3rd-most targets, 2nd-most catches, 4th-most yards among TEs last season, yet he’s falling because of just 1 TD scored. I’ll take the discount and play the safe gamble that he gets back up to the half-dozen range. 1.) Zach Miller – The rarest of Raiders, a player who can thrive amidst the chaos.
2.) Visanthe Shiancoe – While I would have liked him even more with Favre (noted TE fetishist) at quarterback, Shiancoe was a revelation last year. In, um … several ways. 2.) Dustin Keller – The QB is inexperienced and the WRs are a big question mark. With little competition, Keller is likely to be what Zach Miller was to Oakland last season, with hopefully a few more TDs. 2.) Owen Daniels – You’ll break even on his catches and yards, and some TDs eventually have to follow given how often he touches the ball.
3.) Chris Cooley – He’s been largely forgotten by early drafters, but Cooley actually hit career highs in receptions and yardage in ’08. A return to the end zone would help. 3.) Brent Celek – Eagles throw a lot (over 100 times to TEs in ’08), and Celek proved a trustworthy heir to L.J. Smith with 4 TDs in final four games last season. 3.) Dustin Keller – He rallied nicely in the second half (35 catches, 388 yards) and inexperienced quarterbacks generally rely on their tight ends.
4.) John Carlson – Despite the presence of many receiving options in Seattle, I’m still bullish on Carlson. He’ll get red zone work, and there should be many more stats to go around in ’09. 4.) Vernon Davis – Freed of Mike Martz, he’s into the post-hype sleeper phase as new offensive coordinator Jimmy Raye has high hopes for finding ways to utilize his speed best. 4.) Brent Celek – He went ballistic in the playoffs (19-151-3) and L.J. Smith is mercifully gone.
5.) Dolphins TEs – Ten of Chad Pennington’s(notes) 19 touchdown passes went to tight ends last year. Fasano and Martin didn’t really pile up yards, but they were targeted when it mattered most. 5.) Anthony Fasano – No. 9 fantasy producer at TE last season scored 4 TDs in final four games. 5.) Visanthe Shiancoe – There are 1,000 distractions with his team and offense, but this guy can really play.

Top 5 Tight Ends – Rookies

Andy Behrens

Brandon Funston

Scott Pianowski
1.) Brandon Pettigrew – His most important contributions as a rookie will involve blocking. He’s the clear starter. 1.) Brandon Pettigrew – Might be a few in his class with better receiving upside, but he’s a complete package and already has a starting gig in hand. 1.) Brandon Pettigrew – His blocking gets him on the field; his size and speed should make him a red-zone consideration.
2.) Shawn Nelson – He’s not the blocker that Pettigrew is, but Nelson is definitely a receiving threat. The Bills should find him useful on third downs. 2.) Shawn Nelson – He’s a better receiver than Pettigrew and, while he’s not currently the No. 1 TE on the Bills, his path to that spot is wide open. 2.) Jared Cook(notes) – He’s probably the most polished pass-catcher from this year’s class and the Titans love to throw to their tight ends.
3.) Jared Cook – Third-round pick has to battle his way up the depth chart, but he’s a ridiculous athlete who owned the NFL Combine (best 40, best vertical at his position) 3.) Jared Cook – Oozes upside as a receiver, but he’s unrefined in his routes and needs to be a quick study as a blocker if he’s going to see the field. 3.) Chase Coffman(notes) – Follow the pedigree: his father, Paul, was a star tight end with the Packers.
4.) Cornelius Ingram(notes) – Brent Celek is clearly the starter, though Ingram is a high-upside talent. Long-term, I’m very interested. 4.) Chase Coffman – This year’s Dustin Keller, he’s a fantastic receiver but is smallish and inexperienced as a blocker. 4.) Shawn Nelson – Speed to burn, and a much better receiver than blocker at this point.
5.) Travis Beckum(notes) – Injuries are a concern, but he’s a talent who should take a piece of Kevin Boss’ workload. 5.) Travis Beckum – He’s another TE in the H-back mold, and the Giants can use all the help they can get in the receiving corps. 5.) Travis Beckum – When in doubt, follow the H-backs. Beckum’s pass-catching skills pushed him to the early third round (pick No. 36).

Brad "The Big Noise" Evans has obsessed about his fantasy teams since the days when Jeff George had value. Yahoo! Sports fantasy’s resident baseball, football and bracketology expert, Brad also lends advice on the two-time Emmy-nominated webcast "Fantasy Football Live" each NFL Sunday. Send Brad a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.
Updated Jul 30, 5:41 pm EDT
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    Ben Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:47 am PDT Report Abuse
    Can I please play in the league with all you that feel taking a TE early is not only a good strategy, but a must? That would be fun. This article tells it like it is - take an early TE and mis out on a more productive RB/WR/QB.
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    FFGuru Wed Aug 19, 2009 09:10 pm PDT Report Abuse
    lmao...You use the dropoff in projected stats among tiers as your proof to not take a tight end early is ridiculous. You could easily change your projections to say whatever you feel like. Also, there is no reason to believe the projections are accurate. It would be better to take the average of the past few years and calculate the dropoff in tiers from that than to use projections. The average value theory of drafting shows that on average the top TE is the 13th best player to own and the second best TE is the 18th best player to own. This is much better indicator than your projection approach. Also, you have to factor in the fact that TEs are generally easier to predict than other positions. So it would be a wise decision to take Gonzalez or Gates (not Witten) in the fourth.
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    Gabby's Dad Fri Aug 07, 2009 08:13 am PDT Report Abuse
    Just a heads-up to everyone:

    The Bengals put starting TE Reggie Kelly on IR, 2nd string TE Ben Utech is out indefinitely w/ a serious concussion, and 3rd string TE Daniel Coats just sprained an ankle.

    This leaves an UFA Rookie and Cincy's 3rd round pick, TE Chase Coffman as the only healthy options. Coats will likely be ready for Week 1, but he has questionable hands.

    Expect some good early number from Chase Coffman.
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    Boots Thu Aug 06, 2009 08:49 am PDT Report Abuse
    I feel the same as the guy below. I was at the bottom (or top) of the snake in a draft, and took witten and winslow back to back. Stockpiling talent is a good idea, as people suddenly rush to take TEs and make worse mistakes than you. Plus, it's good for trades, as people see their TE playing horribly and want to make a trade.

    It's easier to pick up a WR one week with a good matchup than deal with a 3rd tier TE and trying to pick a TE up for a good match up in a week.
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    Brandon Wed Aug 05, 2009 03:53 am PDT Report Abuse
    I completely disagree with the premise of this article and believe in the complete opposite. I think taking one of the top 5 TE's is crucial to ones success and gives you a leg up on your opponents. Taking a 3rd tier receiver or running back and leaving a top TE on the board is silly. Last year I drafted Winslow in the 3rd round, then took Gonzales in the 4th because he was the best talent on the board. Glad I did because we all know how awful Winslow was last year. Plus you can use one as trade bait during the year as wide receivers and running backs emerge. Let's face it, there are 5 good TE's then the rest are crap shoots. The bottom line is TE offers the least depth of all positions and you might as well get a difference maker at the position. As we all know, in the middle of the season there are always RB and WR that emerge to replace our 4th and 5th round picks. I won my league last year too, even with picking two TE early. Its all about waiver wire pickups.
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    Gary Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:28 pm PDT Report Abuse
    Evans cuddles dwarven warriors on Friday nights
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    Beast Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:09 am PDT Report Abuse
    pretty similar to the ranks i've been seeing around the net.
    this is a pretty good site for rankings as well: http://www.statsonstats.com/tight-end/
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    Beast Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:07 am PDT Report Abuse
    pretty similar to the rankings at http://www.statsonstats.com/tight-end/
    i agree with them mostly, i dunno about Dallas Clark being in the same category as witten, gates and gonzo though...its close though so i could see their arguement
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    Mickey Mon Aug 03, 2009 07:49 am PDT Report Abuse
    I question Tony Gonzalez as a Tier 1 pick. I had him in 2006 on a fantasy team and, for the first half of the season, he was worth virtually nothing (in fantasy point terms) because he was used primarily to block. It's my understanding that's going to be his role in Atlanta. Oh well, I guess I should shut up because one of my league's owners might waste an early pick on him, but Gonzalez is definitely a crap-shoot. So is Zach Miller and some of the tier 4 (2 star) TEs listed in the article's table. Dallas Clark started hurt and slow last year (I started Daniels over him early), but he was on fire at the end - he was my (week 16) fantasy championship game winner's high scorer and I'd love to have him or Daniels again - Daniels was at least tier 2 when Shaub was starting last year. I generally like to pick my starting QB, 2RBs, and 3WRs (though not in that order) with the first six picks, then I look at TE and DST (in my NFL.com leagues' DSTs are sometimes 3 of the top 15 overall scorers since they get up to 20 pts for low score and yardage on top of DTDs, safeties, turnovers, and sacks) with my next two picks. I sometimes reach earlier for TEs or DSTs depending on how the draft is going. If, for some reason, TEs are going much earlier than normal, I usually have a fall-back TE, the "least" I'm comfortable with, that I'll grab in the next round if those I'd really wanted are gone. Same for DSTs.
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    Blixbuy.com Sun Aug 02, 2009 06:42 pm PDT Report Abuse
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    Ryan M Sun Aug 02, 2009 04:36 pm PDT Report Abuse
    who needs all-arund i fantasy Ed-L? all you need is the td's.
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    Ed-L Sun Aug 02, 2009 02:24 pm PDT Report Abuse
    Does Gates do any blocking? I can't figure him for an all around TE!
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    austuc t Sun Aug 02, 2009 02:02 pm PDT Report Abuse
    it gonz or witten gates or clark or lose the catagory . u need a top 6 te dont wait
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    Jon Whits Sun Aug 02, 2009 12:38 pm PDT Report Abuse
    PLEASE HELP!!! I am doing a live draft and want to use yahoo! as our draft room. Is it possible for us to all draft on the same computer, and have yahoo! enter our results instead of entering them manually??? By purchasing the draft kit will this allow me to do so??? PLEASE HELP!!!
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    JasonP Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:44 am PDT Report Abuse
    you may be right that heath miller isnt exactly the best tight end fantasy wise but he is by far the best all around tight end in the game today
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    Dawg Sun Aug 02, 2009 07:18 am PDT Report Abuse
    I disagree with the wait on a TE in the draft approach, every single year a bad TE = a poor team, it is the one position where if you have one of the top guys 75% of the weeks you are dominating a position because Witten just kicked Scheffler's ass and as we all know biggest thing in fantasy is not getting yous ass handed to you in any one on one match up.
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    Liska Sat Aug 01, 2009 09:40 am PDT Report Abuse
    1. Leagues are trending towards PPR. The gap between TE tiers is even wider in those leagues. And I say "even wider" because 2.3 pts/gm in even non-PPR leagues between Gates and Miller for 2008 IS substantial. (AND Gates underperformed his draft position, while Miller outperformed, so the gap could/should have been wider still.) An extra 2pts each week likely wouldn't do much to your win-loss record, but it wouldn't be 2.3 extra pts each week, it would likely be about even most weeks and then 10+ pts higher for the others

    2. Top TEs are even more valuable because diamonds in the rough RARELY develop mid-season at TE. Last year Shiancoe and Keller were serviceable in the second half, but were also inconsistent. You NEVER have mid-season studs develop at TE like they do at WR (Breaston filling in) or RB (P. Thomas) who can be acquired late in the draft or even from waivers. You are just flatout better off grabbing Witten and your 2nd/3rd RB a round later than you are with Cooley/Olsen and a slightly better 2nd/3rd RB.
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    Cult Spyder Sat Aug 01, 2009 08:05 am PDT Report Abuse
    I don't completely agree with this article. While I wouldn't reach too high for a TE, I like having consistency in the line up. Every year, more and more TE become viable options but they remain overly inconsistent game to game. Those top two tiers of TEs will always be a scoring threat and I always try to grab one of the bigger names in rounds 5-7 on average. I'll take the consistency of a Witten, Gates, Clark, Gonzo over a 3rd or 4th tier RB, WR, or QB who can be wildly inconsistent themselves. Of course it does depend on how the draft pans out. Usually by the 5th round I've managed to grab 2 dependable WR, a stud RB and either a 2nd dependable RB or a quality QB. At that point in time, I'm usually beginning to look at TE and top defenses because they tend to be more consistent scorers than what I will get with a 3rd WR or backup RB/QB. But I always remain flexible.
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    DanielS Fri Jul 31, 2009 08:49 pm PDT Report Abuse
    TEs i wouldnt get anybody higher than Olsen, and after him id prob target Shiancoe. Either way, TE's SuCKKKK. Why reach for a TE who in his "career year" goes for 800 yards and 8td. Id rather take a solid WR3 like Santana Moss who puts up those numbers on an off year. Id rather take a 4th RB than reach for a TE. I remember when I took Antonio Gates once in the 4th or 5th Rd. What a bust. He had like 6tds. woo hoo. Tight ends in my book are packaged in there with Defense and Kicker. Just useless. Useful on the real field, useless on the fantasy field.
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    Ted Dibiase Fri Jul 31, 2009 08:46 pm PDT Report Abuse
    you guys are the best
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    BrettJ Fri Jul 31, 2009 06:37 pm PDT Report Abuse
    I agree with #32, get the RB Primers out already as theyre way more valuable then TE's. As far as TE's go i usually wait until the late rounds to grab them and im in 2 leagues. In my first league its only a 10 team competitive H2H although i wanted it to be 12 teams but it was a last minute draft, i got Cooley in the 10th round. Other TE's taken before him besides the obvious big names were both Olsen and Daniels in the 7th round by these two dudes and Shiancoe in the 9th round. IMO Cooley was a steal for a 10th round pick and will do better then the three TE's i just named that went earlier then him. In my other league, which is a 12 team H2H league, i grabbed Carlson also in the 10th round. I know its not the greatest pick but with guys like Daniels and Miller going in the 7th round and Olsen in the 8th it doesnt seem that bad. My point is that TE's shouldnt be taken any higher then the 10th round IMO unless you want one of the 3 or four elite ones because after that the next 10 will all put up similiar numbers. As a Niner fan i keep on hoping this is the year Davis will finally break out cause we wasted the 6th pick on him and yea i know hes a great blocking TE but he has the skill set to be a great overall TE. Hopefully under this new regime we can finally get some results out of him.
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    vwgli Fri Jul 31, 2009 06:36 pm PDT Report Abuse
    I love the way you all failed to comment on picking a great Def. or Kicker ahead of a TE. Look at the stats from last year in your league. Unless you had Tony Gonzo forget TEs. I can't remember who I had at TE because I drafted Winslow and ended up cutting him. I still won my league.
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    anna jwest Fri Jul 31, 2009 03:20 pm PDT Report Abuse
    no dont want to be on
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    michelle 24 Fri Jul 31, 2009 03:10 pm PDT Report Abuse
    you guys are saying i rather pick up another good rb or wr but whos out there? bush? or ochocinco? i rather take a top TE than those guys.
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    Phillip H Fri Jul 31, 2009 03:05 pm PDT Report Abuse
    BeFun, thank you for clarifying that position. I definitely see what you mean about the personnel issues in Knapps last two stops. For some reason, I wasn't factoring that into the equation, probably since it was such a long stretch I just assumed it was due to his coordinating style. I didn't even consider personnel which was pretty dumb on my part. However, I would like to add and I believe you would agree Hasselbeck does not have anyone near Owen's ability on this roster, I believe Knapp will still want to lean on the run even though they do not have the best personnel for that. There is no denying Seattle has upgraded their WRs and their offensive line and Wideouts were injured insanely last season, I think you are right and I will reassess Carlson's spot. I Appreciate the insight.

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