Position Primer: Quarterback

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In the NFL, quarterbacks are the faces of the franchise. A select few attract lucrative endorsements, guest host late-night sketch comedy shows and dandle curvaceous swimsuit models. Despite being the occasional target of incensed defender tackles and selfish wide receiver rants, it’s good to be them.

Because signal-callers are typically the winners in media-spun popularity contests, the general perception of them has created two very different schools of fantasy thinking.

On the right are brand-name investors. Their belief: drafting a marquee QB early is a necessity for rolling in championship pay-dirt. According to this group, because elite quarterbacks are kings of consistency, risk is minimized. Rushers are volatile assets. In their view, valuable backs can always be unearthed in the later rounds. Owners who subscribe to this theory typically reach for Peyton Manning(notes) in Round 2 every year.

On the left are followers of the QB countermovement. Instead of shelling out dough for an expensive name, owners stress patience. Essentially, gunslingers are considered fantasy football’s equivalent of closers in baseball. Their motto: “always wait to draft a QB.”

Subscribers to this theory also emphasize that a smaller disparity exists from tier-to-tier at QB compared to other positions. However, unlike previous seasons, last year squashed conventional wisdom. The difference in per game average between top-ranked Drew Brees(notes) and tenth-ranked Donovan McNabb(notes) was 4.6 points. For RBs, the first and tenth-rated players were separated by 3.6 points. For WRs, it was 3.8 points. Without question, due to the increased acceptance of backfield time-shares, workhorse backs are nearly extinct. As a result, the gap between positional tiers has closed. Four short years ago, the No.1 RB outpaced the No. 10 by 8.5 points. Meanwhile, the separation between equally ranked QBs was 4.1.

Which side will have the advantage coming out of drafts this year?

The answer is in the mock. Using ADP values provided by Mock Draft Central, below are three plausible scenarios of what teams would look like after the first six rounds of a standard scoring 12-team draft if they drafted quarterbacks within a specific tier. Group A (below) are owners who aim for the elite, Group B are the second class and Group C are those targeting trendy mid-round sleepers. Season projections (labeled Y!Pro) from our fantasy football mag (On sale now!) are assigned and compiled for each team to decipher which squad would lead the pack heading into the gem-excavating middle rounds. Due to numbers, Tony Romo(notes), Jay Cutler(notes), Carson Palmer(notes) and Ben Roethlisberger(notes) were excluded from the exercise.

Naturally, because several variables exist from league-to-league (i.e. size, scoring system, league IQ, owner philosophy, etc.) this is not a foolproof method, but it does lend insight into the strategies involved when choosing a quarterback in the early-to-mid rounds this season.

Group A – Brees/Brady/Manning

RDPick (1)Y!Pro
1A. PetersonRB1280.2
2T. BradyQB1310.7
3G. JenningsWR1181.4
4De. WardRB2172.8
5V. JacksonWR2155.2
6S. MossWR3146.4
  TOTAL1246.7
RDPick (3)Y!Pro
1M. TurnerRB1255.0
2P. ManningQB1329.7
3D. BoweWR1167.4
4M. LynchRB2182.6
5A. GonzalezWR2131.1
6H. WardWR3137.1
  TOTAL1202.9
RDPick (7)Y!Pro
1L. TomlinsonRB1242.0
2D. BreesQB1350.9
3W. WelkerWR1163.8
4J. AddaiRB2180.6
5C. OchocincoWR2154.1
6L. MooreWR3124.3
  TOTAL1215.7

Group B – Warner/Rodgers/Rivers

RDPick (1)Y!Pro
1A. PetersonRB1280.2
2A. BoldinWR1175.6
3G. JenningsWR2181.4
4A. RodgersQB1305.0
5K. MorenoRB2168.8
6S. MossWR3146.4
  TOTAL1256.8
RDPick (3)Y!Pro
1M. TurnerRB1255.0
2S. SmithWR1208.4
3P. ThomasRB2196.8
4P. RiversQB1317.1
5A. GonzalezWR2131.1
6H. WardWR3137.1
  TOTAL1245.5
RDPick (7)Y!Pro
1L. TomlinsonRB1242.0
2B. JacobsRB2221.2
3W. WelkerWR1163.8
4K. WarnerQB1310.9
5C. OchocincoWR2154.1
6L. MooreWR3124.3
  TOTAL1216.3

Group C – McNabb/Ryan/Schaub

RDPick (1)Y!Pro
1A. PetersonRB1280.2
2A. BoldinWR1175.6
3G. JenningsWR2181.4
4D. WardRB2172.8
5Vi. JacksonWR3155.2
6M. RyanQB1262.1
  TOTAL1227.3
RDPick (3)Y!Pro
1M. TurnerRB1255.0
2S. SmithWR1208.4
3P. ThomasRB2196.8
4R. WilliamsWR2156.8
5T. GonzalezTE1140.0
6M. SchaubQB1282.5
  TOTAL1239.5
RDPick (7)Y!Pro
1L. TomlinsonRB1242.0
2B. JacobsRB2221.2
3W. WelkerWR1163.8
4B. EdwardsWR2162.5
5A. GatesTE1140.1
6D. McNabbQB1267.0
  TOTAL1196.6

Overall here’s how the teams ranked:

1) Group B – Rodgers, 1256.8
2) Group A – Brady, 1246.7
3) Group B – Rivers, 1245.5
4) Group C – Schaub, 1239.5
5) Group C – Ryan, 1227.3
6) Group B – Warner, 1216.3
7) Group A – Brees, 1215.7
8) Group A – Manning, 1202.9
9) Group C – McNabb, 1196.6

As noted above, the discrepancy between the first four teams is rather miniscule but, starting with Ryan, it widens significantly. Interestingly, owners who sank a second round pick in Brees and Manning finished well below those who waited on Rodgers, Rivers and Schaub. Also, the small example confirms picking in the middle may not be the most advantageous position.

Of course, every draft is unique. Owners will snap tendons for man-crushes or abstain from selecting a player due to general distaste. It’s also important to keep in mind the remaining commodities selected could wind up being the true difference makers. But outside the Brady team, this little experiment proves virtual managers who comply with a more QB disciplined approach could be thrust into a favorable position leading into the middle rounds.

So this season, instead of snagging Mr. Reliable Manning late in Round 2, it might be sage to play the “Patience” game – Yaaaaaaaaaa!!!

Here are the risers, fallers and backup ballers at quarterback this season:

Quarterback – Tiers
– Drew Brees; Tom Brady(notes); Peyton Manning
Kurt Warner(notes); Philip Rivers(notes); Tony Romo; Aaron Rodgers(notes)
– Donovan McNabb; Matt Ryan(notes); Matt Schaub(notes); Carson Palmer; Jay Cutler; Ben Roethlisberger
Matt Cassel(notes); Matt Hasselbeck(notes); David Garrard(notes); Eli Manning(notes); Brett Favre(notes); Kyle Orton(notes); Trent Edwards(notes)
Jake Delhomme(notes); Chad Pennington(notes); Jason Campbell(notes); Joe Flacco(notes); Marc Bulger(notes); Kerry Collins(notes)
Shaun Hill(notes); JaMarcus Russell(notes); Brady Quinn(notes); Matthew Stafford(notes); Mark Sanchez(notes)

Top 5 Quarterbacks – Overall

Andy Behrens

Brad Evans

Brandon Funston
1.) Drew Brees – There are pass-heavy offenses, and then there’s whatever this nonsense is in New Orleans. 1.) Drew Brees – Levels opponents with hurricane force totals: 10 300-yd, 11 multi-TD games in ’08. 1.) Drew Brees – He’s the Steve Nash of the NFL, always able to find the open man in one of NFL’s top fastbreak offenses.
2.) Tom Brady – He’s just one year removed from the greatest fantasy QB season of all-time, and Moss and Welker are still alongside. 2.) Tom Brady – When not procreating, he’s arguably the league’s best; expect 30-35 TDs this year. 2.) Peyton Manning – I put a lot of value in his remarkable 16-game, top-five QB consistency.
3.) Peyton Manning – Durability? Check. Consistency? Check. Exceptional talent? Check. Stellar supporting cast? Yup, that too. 3.) Aaron Rodgers – Statistical ascension magnificent in ’08; finished No. 2 to Brees in PPG. 3.) Tom Brady – A severe ACL injury removed from record-setting ’07, can’t just assume it all comes rushing back at once.
4.) Philip Rivers – He led the NFL in the passing categories that matter most, yet he was criminally underappreciated. 4.) Kurt Warner – Sultan of Stubble has weapons to repeat ’08 desert renaissance. 4.) Philip Rivers – ’08 TD pass leader despite his top two support staffers (LT, Gates) being at less than 100 percent.
5.) Aaron Rodgers – Rodgers finished second to Brees in fantasy PPG thanks to his sneaky ground game (207 rush yards, 4 TD). 5.) Peyton Manning – Consistency king still very viable, but not the true elite of position. 5.) Kurt Warner – Quick release, laser accuracy and up-front protection once again proved lethal, especially with All-Pro level wideouts.

Top 5 Quarterbacks – Overvalued

Andy Behrens

Brad Evans

Brandon Funston
1.) Tony Romo – Nothing against Romo specifically, but if he’s gonna cost me a fourth or fifth round pick, then I’ll just wait for one of the Matts (see below). 1.) Peyton Manning – Last season’s eighth-place PPG finish says he doesn’t deserve RD2 consideration. 1.) Tony Romo – Romo’s great, but don’t like his price given highly suspect receiving corps.
2.) Carson Palmer – Until you read that he has no limitations and the arm strength is entirely back, don’t rank him as a fantasy starter. 2.) Tony Romo – Reportedly doughy and questionable chemistry with WRs makes him avoidable in 40s. 2.) Matt Ryan – Few bigger fans of Ryan than I, but tendency is to rank to his talent upside as opposed to the setup of an offense that leans to the run.
3.) Brett Favre – He’s a solid brand-name, but last year ended disastrously, he’s recovering from arm surgery and he turns 40 in Week 5. 3.) Jay Cutler – The Butcher is skilled with a cleaver, but he’s not a top-ten QB given limited WR options. 3.) Ben Roethlisberger – For my QB1, I need someone who has thrown more than 18 TD passes just once in the past five seasons.
4.) David Garrard – I’m a bit lower on Garrard than my colleagues. He’s never thrown for 20 TDs and I don’t think Torry Holt(notes) gets him there. 4.) Ben Roethlisberger – Super Bowl rings/clutch performances not a category in fantasy; fringe starter in 12-teamers. 4.) Brett Favre – Forget the overinflated importance the media gives his ongoing “Will he or won’t he?” situation, he’s simply way too reckless and inconsistent these days for my tastes.
5.) Kyle Orton – Evans has single-handedly caused him to be overvalued. Check the ranks. The rest of us are sane. 5.) Brett Favre – Hall of Fame name will misguide owners into thinking he’s still trustworthy 5.) Eli Manning – Ignore past positives, he’s never had a receiving corps so lacking in experience and playmakers.

Top 5 Quarterbacks – Undervalued

Andy Behrens

Brad Evans

Brandon Funston
1.) Matt Ryan – If I had any courage, I would have ranked him where I think he can finish the year: as a top-five QB. 1.) Aaron Rodgers – Ground efforts, spread offense and lethal weapons arrow to production growth. 1.) David Garrard – You won’t have to draft him as a starter, but numbers say he is – top 12 in Fan PPG among QBs w/ 10+ starts each of past two years.
2.) Matt Schaub – The Ryan blurb could apply here, too. Schaub is at the controls of a scary attack. 2.) Matt Schaub – Health always a concern but 21.0 PPG average in standard leagues was seventh-best. 2.) Donovan McNabb – Quibble about his health, but production almost always elite, and receiving corps in ’09 should be as good as it’s been in a long time.
3.) Matt Hasselbeck – He’s largely forgotten by drafters, but the offseason reports are encouraging and Housmandzadeh was a huge addition. 3.) Kyle Orton – The 18th QB off the board fits ideally in McDaniels slant-heavy system. 3.) Carson Palmer – He’s still got a golden arm, and the Ochocinco, Coles, Henry support is plenty to work with.
4.) Matt Cassel – Bowe, Bradley and Engram aren’t exactly Moss and Welker, but they’re not too shabby. 4.) Donovan McNabb – Going 20 picks after the second tier; totaled just 1.9 points less than Peyton in ’08. 4.) Matt Hasselbeck – Health reports have been great, and receiving corps has improved/healed dramatically since last season.
5.) Joe Flacco – His rookie season was quietly impressive, and the Ravens are still shopping for receivers. 5.) Matt Hasselbeck – Healthy, determined and with TJ Housh on board, bounce back 22-25-TD campaign possible. 5.) Sixth QB taken in your draft – I don’t see a steep decline between the No. 1 and No. 6 QBs on the draft board. If you get the last of those QBs to come off the board, you scored a sweet deal, most likely.

Top 5 Quarterbacks – Rookies and/or non-guaranteed starters

Andy Behrens

Brad Evans

Brandon Funston
1.) Matthew Stafford – On talent, he gets an edge over Sanchez. And I couldn’t help but notice that he’ll be throwing to Calvin Johnson(notes). 1.) Shaun Hill – Yes, the air-centric Martz is gone, but the former NFL Europer has tools, Crabtree to surprise 1.) Brady Quinn – I fully expect him to be the starter – fronting that there’s a heated QB battle is good for Anderson’s trade value
2.) Shaun Hill – The numbers are always there (think 200 yards and two TDs), but sometimes it’s best not to watch how he gets them. 2.) Brady QuinnMyoplex pitchman ready to show workouts haven’t been fruitless; 172.7 ypg, 3:3 TD:INT in ’08. 2.) Mark Sanchez – He should start from the get-go, and there’s nice safety net value to work with in TE Heller and dynamic RB Washington.
3.) Brady Quinn – Not so long ago, the Browns offense – thanks in part to great line play – turned Derek Anderson(notes) into an unlikely star. 3.) Dan Orlovsky(notes) – Serviceability last year prove he’s 10 Grossmans – 216..1 ypg, 7:7 TD:INT in 7 GS last year. 3.) Matthew Stafford – Culpepper could take some games early, but Stafford is a loaded talent with, perhaps, the most talented receiver in the league to work with.
4.) Luke McCown(notes) – Someone has to win the QB battle in Tampa Bay, and it’s not likely to be the rookie. The Bucs don’t lack skill position talent. 4.) Matt Leinart(notes)MMA regimen, renewed commitment to football could finally launch career if Warner is injured. 4.) Josh Freeman(notes) – My guess is that the extremely-confident Freeman winds up with more starts than the others (McCown, Leftwich) – whoever starts in TB is intriguing given presence of Bryant and Winslow.
5.) Sage Rosenfels(notes) – If for some reason the ongoing Favre flirtation ends badly, Rosenfels could deliver a fair impression of a 40-year-old No. 4. 5.) Mark Sanchez – Stafford may have Megatron, but the USC product has better O-line; still no Matt Ryan 5.) Shaun Hill – Yes, team will be much more run focused in ’09, but the fact that Hill averaged as many Fan PPG as Manning last season can’t be ignored.

Brad "The Big Noise" Evans has obsessed about his fantasy teams since the days when Jeff George had value. Yahoo! Sports fantasy’s resident baseball, football and bracketology expert, Brad also lends advice on the two-time Emmy-nominated webcast "Fantasy Football Live" each NFL Sunday. Send Brad a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.
Updated Jul 15, 4:30 pm EDT
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    J Smith Tue Aug 18, 2009 08:52 am PDT Report Abuse
    I would like to thank all the experts for letting me get Cutler as the tenth quarterback in my draft. Marshall and Royal were good recievers, but they didn't make Cutler. Marshall was a fourth round pick who broke out his second season after having a full year to catch balls from Cutler. Royal was a surprise player in fantasy last season. Now cutler has devin hester, greg Olsen and most importantly matt forte. Maybe they are raw, or maybe they've just been trying to catch passes from grossman and orton for too long. Cutler was the 5th best qb last year, and I have no doubt he will be in the top ten this year. His ceiling is as high as anyone not named brady or brees, and his floor is much higher than guys getting drafted at similar times like mcnabb shaub palmer and romo who have given their owners nothing while they are injured in the past. Whether he is a jerk or not, Cutler will be a top 7 quarterback in 2009.
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    Myagi Sun Aug 16, 2009 03:52 pm PDT Report Abuse
    Evans is the biggest tool on the planet. Bar none.
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    House Sun Aug 09, 2009 07:09 pm PDT Report Abuse
    Do they pay you to pick this bad? Once again, you show your prognosticating weakness. What's happened since last year that makes Phillip Rivers more valuable then Kurt Warner in Behrens mind???
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    Al Sun Aug 09, 2009 02:18 pm PDT Report Abuse
    Quit hating on evans dudes the man
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    Irish Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:06 am PDT Report Abuse
    Evans - Let me know who your Mancrush is this year so I can stay away from him.
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    James Sun Aug 09, 2009 07:29 am PDT Report Abuse
    3.) Ben Roethlisberger – For my QB1, I need someone who has thrown more than 18 TD passes more than just once in the past five seasons.....

    I believe would be correct....or am I retarded?
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    Craig DaDa Thu Aug 06, 2009 03:27 pm PDT Report Abuse
    Ha Boy, Evans ranked him #5 because he thinks that his #3 average draft position is too high. It makes complete sense that he labeled him overvalued. Evans thinks hes the 5th best QB but he is going 3rd.
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    momo Wed Aug 05, 2009 04:23 pm PDT Report Abuse
    Brad Evans makes no sense what so ever. He ranks P. Manning as #5 overall and then list him #1 overvalue. Which one is it? If you think he is going to be in the top 5 then why is he overvalued?
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    Los Angeles Lakers Wed Aug 05, 2009 06:18 am PDT Report Abuse
    What about Pat White?
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    Brandon Wed Aug 05, 2009 04:04 am PDT Report Abuse
    I laugh at all these people ranking Warner so high. His hip still hurts as of today and he's 38. I predict he does not make it through the season. Last year was a fluke. I agree that Cutler will be fine. He's my keeper league QB and I plan on going to war with him.
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    Sheppy Tue Aug 04, 2009 01:43 pm PDT Report Abuse
    152. what kind of garbage league are you in when you can get aaron rodgers off waivers, terrible and yes rodgers will be better then cutler
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    drobbug13 Tue Aug 04, 2009 08:35 am PDT Report Abuse
    what about hasselbeck
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    southcarolinaroxmysox Mon Aug 03, 2009 12:57 pm PDT Report Abuse
    i have d. brees and j. cutler as my qbs. Should i drop cutler for A. rodgers?
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    Beast Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:25 am PDT Report Abuse
    hey guys if youre looking for another opinion check out the ranks on www.statsonstats.com
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    erich Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:03 pm PDT Report Abuse
    cant believe nobody understands that a pure talent like JAY CUTLER will be fine .. hes a great one
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    Big D Sun Aug 02, 2009 09:39 pm PDT Report Abuse
    dont keep bryant cause who knows who his qb's going to be this year
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    Rowland Sun Aug 02, 2009 07:08 pm PDT Report Abuse
    all right you fat rich cant stay away from the table, wine bellies,,,,jerry jones, why dont you stay your penny pinching ass up in the dam sky box,,,,if you dont like the coach then fire him and you coach ,,,,,,,,, jerry jones you takeing the cowboys down man ,,,,,, you remined me joe robbie,,,,,,you have made more misstakes than your players,,,,,,,,you have money but you have no life,,,,,,you and al davis,,,,,, other owners dont hire a coach and then coach the dam coach......know your roll richie rich$$$$$$$$$$$$. first jimmy jonhson,, then bill parcell,, and if you dont want to pay your star players ,,like the three that you let go,,,, richie rich, you can get your dallor & cents speaking ass out there and play------richie rich,,,,,you can be owner---coach---and player,,,,,,slick talking ass richie rich$$$$$$$ man up richie rich or go count your money,,,,,,,know your dam roll,,,,richie$$$rich$$$$$$$$$$$$ good by you penny pinching--richie$$rich,,,,s.o.b.
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    STUD LEE Sun Aug 02, 2009 10:16 am PDT Report Abuse
    round this round that.....bah! snake drafts are just glorified auto drafts. auction rules. put your money where your sewer is!
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    Fritz S Sun Aug 02, 2009 09:24 am PDT Report Abuse
    hey 127 cut kurt warner :D
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    Michael H Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:35 pm PDT Report Abuse
    I think Flacco, Manning, Romo, and Brady are the most overvauled at their position in '09. The news is Mason decided to come back but i'm still not convinced they have a good WR core. Mason had an amazing year but the dude is 36, he almost retired which would make some doubt he'll give 100% in '09, and his shoulder is injuried so he'll miss time in camp. None of their other receivers really broke away from the pack last year. On top of that I think their defence will be considerably worse cuz of loses of Rex Ryan, Scott and some other minor players(McAlister, Leonhard. Ray Lewis has always been a great player but he's at the end of his career like much of Baltimore's D. On top of that with McClain moving to FB, Ray Rice looks to start at RB and while he's talented he's unproven. He only had 107 carries last year and was working in rotation. Being the featured back and rushing 300 times in a season is much different. The Colts have lost their whole staff it feels like. Manning is unhappy and without his favorite target(I know Harrison struggled at the end but familarity counts). Wayne will be catching double teams so Gonzalez or one of their other WRs has to step up. On top of that I think their defence will be horrible this year. Tony Romo has the worst situation of any of these QBs. T.O. is gone finally which some Cowboys fans say is good but if Dallas misses the playoffs again this year they won't be able to blame it on him. Roy Williams will have to step-up and produce TO numbers which I don't think he can. He's a solid WR2 but he's always had an elite WR drawing doubles opposite him(T.O. and Calvin Johnson). Even if he could they'd need another WR to step up as WR2 to put the numbers he did last year. Then they lost Canty, Ellis, Williams, Johnson, and Henry among others on defence. DeMarcus Ware will be bad self again but I doubt he comes close to the 20 sacks he had last season in '09 without Canty and Ellis (they had 8 and 3 sacks each in '08) When you add the fact that every team in their division has gotten better(Washington-Haynesworth, Orakpo. Phily-Maclin, Shady McCoy, Peters, Ingram. NYG-Canty, Nicks, Boley, Sintim, Umenyiora back from a season ending injury last year.) while they've gotten worse and that you can always count on Romo's infamous late season slump...things don't look so good for America's Team. The problem I have with Brady this year is that everyone is just assuming he comes back vintage Brady '07. If he would have had that injury 5 or 10 years ago everyone would say his career was over...so whats different now? Well some would say its cuz Phillip Rivers came back from the same injury in '08 and had the best year of his career but just cuz he did it doesn't mean Brady will. Sure he's got a great team round him but at the very least there will be some rust and durability issues from his long absence from the field. I also think the Pats defence is the worst it's been since Brady's been in charge and the division is tougher than its ever been. Carson Palmer one of the Top 3 QB picks every year in fantasy football up to last is coming back from a less serious injury but no ones taking him in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. The Bengals have got a stouter O-Line than last year and a WR core that includes Ocho Cinco, Henry and Coles which should make them scary. Another Top QB coming back from an injury is Matt Hasselback who from '03-'07(with the exception of '06 where he only played 12 games) consistently had over 3,000 yards passing and at least 22 TDs. Add the fact that he's never had an elite wide out(T.J. Housh) or dependable TE(Carlson) like he does this year and he easily has the potential to become a low-end Top 10 QB in '09. Their 2 of my Top 3 Undervalued QBs along with Jay Cutler. I don't buy the "oh but he has no proven receivers" crap. You could make the argument that Cutler made Marshall since Brandon did nothing untill Jay became starter and Eddie Royal was a 2nd round rookie who Cutler made into a Top 10 WR last year. Why can't he make Hester the next Marshall and Iglesias or Knox the next Royal? A franchise QB can make young WRs into the next big things. These guys are all professinal athletes as long as Cutler can make all the throws and put the ball where it needs to be(which he can) the Bears/his fantasy points will be great. Also Chicago's top 2 receivers were Forte and Olsen last year and their both healthy. We all know Cutler loves his TEs so I expect a HUGE year for Olsen but I also expect Hester to put up WR1 numbers this year(with alot of TDs). I also think McNabb and Warner could have BIG years but I worry about both getting hurt. I think we can all agree that as long as they stay healthy Brees, Rivers, and Rogers will be Top 5 locks at QB(Brees and Rogers expecially cuz of their horrible defences).
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    murphy3 Sat Aug 01, 2009 11:48 am PDT Report Abuse
    Brad Evans holds too many grudges to be a good "expert". Grow up dude!
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    Rolando Sat Aug 01, 2009 06:33 am PDT Report Abuse
    why is everything about touchdowns big ben didnt make more than 18 touchdowns the past five seasons but he made it to the superbowl and he won games 12-4 and with the shedule they had it doesnt matter how many touchdowns he made
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    S B Sat Aug 01, 2009 05:57 am PDT Report Abuse
    Watch out for Matt Ryan. With the offense they have in place, he will be in the top 5 this year.
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    kim Fri Jul 31, 2009 08:42 pm PDT Report Abuse
    Brandon Funston. Just to let you know its Keller NOT HELLER for mark sanchez.

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