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- Pokerface Pokerface Jul 18, 2015 10:01 AM Flag
Posey's price should come up quite a bit too. People are now starting to believe more in him as a bona fide difference-maker whose position does not impair him to get every day PT, whether at C or 1B. I've had him in my non-auction H2H keeper league for the past four years and he's the one player I would probably not commit to trading away because it's such a luxury rostering a player like that that you can move around your roster to get creative in daily leagues. That said, I can easily see Posey going up 20-30% over that of last year in auction formats next year, which could put him anywhere from $150 to $160, if not more. But you are right, though. Bryce will cost you way too much with the season he's having so might as well take the deal and get Posey now. After all, Brantley should come cheaper next year. So I guess you would only need to ask yourself how much you believe in Brantley coming back up in value next season after a down season this year. He could be a nice piece to hold on to.
This is a H2H Std keeper league. We keep 12 players ea yr but cannot keep more than 8 batters. I recently had major injuries losing Miggy and Springer. They will both be out until mid August perhaps even until late Aug. Our H2H playoffs start on Sep 7 so it looks like I should have my big bats off the DL at least a couple of weeks before the playoffs. That I think is important in assessing this deal because Springer is one of the key players I have on the DL. Eight teams will make the playoffs and I'm currently in 8th place hanging there by a thread followed closely by 4 other teams within 10 categories of me. So a slight slip could push me out of playoffs contention. Also the 3 teams ahead of me in the standings are also only within 10 categories, so I might be able to catch them if I take the trade and roster Bautista and ARod now.
That said, I think it would be sweeter keeping younger guys like Springer (power & speed) and Seager (hard-to-fill position) than keeping Bautista and Arod. In fact, if I take the trade, chances are I will keep Bautista but might leave Arod out. I like Arod, though... he is just too old. Bautista himself at 35 is kind of old too so keeping two older guys will be tough.
Now, here's the dilemma... it's anyone's guess if Corey Seager will get a promo this year. We have a keeper rule that states that only batters who have had at least one at-bat during the regular season can be kept the following season. Seager would need to get his promo and get one AB to be keeper-eligible. Another issue, Springer has youth, power and speed while none of the two guys I will be getting (if I accept the trade) have youth or speed. From another perspective... I do have a better chance of making the playoffs this year if I take the deal. But keeper-wise I will be at a disadvantage. ARod is playing great baseball this year, though. If Bautista can get it going a bit I will have awesome power once Miggy comes off the DL.
Would you take the deal or decline?
- Reply to Pokerface Jul 14, 2015 4:36 PMPokerface Pokerface Jul 15, 2015 7:12 PM Flag
T.J. you seem like an intelligent sports-savvy fan but you keep talking about a whole bunch of stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with my initial argument about a manager not keeping honest with a player's role as long as the player is performing well. Rondon was doing great so there was no reason whatsoever for him to lose his job or role. You end your last reply by saying "I'm sure the Cubs GM & Prez is just fine with all that". Well they might be happy with it but I know one person who I'm sure is not happy with it at all: Hector Rondon. I wouldn't be happy either if I were in his shoes. Maddon's unjustified, arbitrary and irresponsible move I'm sure has created some form of animosity among Latino players in MLB and a decreased morale because now they know their jobs are not secured regardless of how well they perform.
I must add though... about Soriano after that 2010 season, that Maddon (or the Rays admin in general) probably couldn't keep him on the team even if they wanted to due to perhaps contract details that us fans don't care a whole lot about. I can understand that. In my previous post I did not imply he was treated unfairly while in Tampa under Maddon's management. If it happened then I know nothing about it. However, you mentioning Soriano in your reply to my initial argument about Rondon getting the boot from the closer role without reason did not fit the subject at all. That was a different time, a different team and league and completely different circumstances. More than anything there wasn't a top arm like Jason Motte available to bump a sharp Soriano back in 2010 on the Rays. I'm sure if Motte wasn't on the Cubs this year such position committee and closer controversy would have never taken place. Maddon might not have anything personal against Rondon. It looks more like he really wanted to give Motte another chance to be a top closer so he did the one thing he could do that he thought could go unnoticed and without much controversy.
- Reply to Pokerface Jul 14, 2015 4:36 PMPokerface Pokerface Jul 15, 2015 6:33 PM Flag
You are not getting the point of what I said. I never said Maddon is guilty of not rostering Latin players. Obviously , there wouldn't be any Latinos in the Cubs 40-man roster this year if that were true. If that were the case Montero and Strop wouldn't be there. What I said was that Maddon unjustifiably made a highly questionable move by removing a player from his normal role in order to give such role to another player. Had been all over the place with his delivery and with a handful of blown saves then such move would not have been unreasonable. And what was even more annoying was the sneaky way Maddon made the swift move... by pretending to be going with a committee for a couple of weeks when it was evident all he had in mind was to give the job to a another pitcher. Like I said I like Motte but that was a disgusting move.
Btw he didn't "revitalize" anyone. Just because he was the manager at the same time a Latin player happened to be on the roster does not mean he is thrilled about having them on the team. After all managers more often than not do not have a whole lot of say on who gets a contract and who doesn't. There are other people there to do that. Besides, until a contract expires there is absolutely nothing the manager can do to kick out a player. All he can do is bench him often and that he did plenty with all of those part time hitters that you just mentioned. As for Soriano, he was with the Rays for only one year (2010) and saved 45 games with these awesome numbers 1.73, 0.80, .163. Arguably the best season Soriano has had in the majors... and yet I guess that was not good enough for Maddon to keep him around the following season. Like I said, Maddon did not revitalize anyone. The players, including Soriano, did what they would have done on any team and under any manager.
- Pokerface by Pokerface Jul 14, 2015 4:36 PM Flag
I guess today I'll take it on the one MLB manager that has really made me want to puke the most this season. The usual suspect... none other than Mr. Joe Maddon himself.
I think it's really shameful the way this man so cleverly and sneakily removed Hector Rondon from the closer role in Chicago. Maddon pretended to only be spreading save ops around for a while there... I'm guessing due to Rondon's "lack of control" or "lack of velocity" or what have you - notion that only seems to have existed in Maddon's big peanut head. But his ultimate "master plan" was to create media controversy to slowly but effectively take away Rondon's job and hand it over to Jason Motte without making the move way too obvious to avoid having people pointing fingers at him or calling him out. Rondon was pitching very well when Maddon announced to the media that the Cubs were "not locked in on a specific closer" back in early June. From the moment I read that I had this strong gut feeling of what exactly Maddon was trying to do... and that was to hand over the role to Motte.
IMO Maddon has a big problem with having a Venezuelan or a Latino securing wins in Chicago. Actually, I hate to say it out loud, but I think he has a problem with Latinos in general in major league baseball. If Rondon had been pitching bad when Maddon decided to take away his role then I would understand but that was not the case here. Maddon just wanted to give the job to the other guy because it blew out of his rear end to do.
Don't get me wrong. I like Jason Motte as much as I like Rondon and I think Motte deserves to close in MLB after having lost his job due to injury in St. Louis. But the way Maddon did it was just atrocious. It's not the way you win fans for your team. I'm sure there is a rather large Hispanic community in the windy city wondering what the hell was that all about.
Just wanted to point out the issue if only to let Maddon know that his sneaky and highly biased strategy did not go unnoticed.
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