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- D-Neff D-Neff Aug 11, 2014 3:49 AM Flag
And yes seeing that you can't keep Foster in the other messages then it's an obvious on Gronk. Again though, could go back to the same thing. If you don't really want to own either Gronk or White, who is gonna have a better chance to net you the best player. Answer = Gronk
- D-Neff D-Neff Aug 11, 2014 3:47 AM Flag
Doesn't really matter how you view Foster. Just trade him for Ball or DeMarco or Gio or AJ or Dez or whoever floats your boat more than Gronk. (No I'm not saying you can definitely get any of these guys-who knows who you can or can't get, just throwing a bunch of names out to make a point)
If you don't want to actually own Foster, then the question truly is do I want to keep Gronk or do I want to keep a player I could get by trading Foster? White shouldn't even be in the discussion.
- D-Neff D-Neff Aug 11, 2014 2:32 AM Flag
And almost forgot, with rookies you wanna see how they evolve as the season goes on. To your lovely ypc projections, last 8 games of the season last year, Ball averaged 5.88 ypc so basically 5.9. Again, not so bad. Guess if he gets 250 carries this year he is rushing for 1500 yards almost.
But then again, in your world Ball didn't do anything when he got touches last year ever.
- D-Neff D-Neff Aug 11, 2014 2:19 AM Flag
How many people actually stayed for the entire mock?
Hate your first pick, second pick, third pick, sixth pick, seventh pick, eighth pick and ninth especially(why would you draft a kicker at all and defense last round bro), tenth pick, wait basically all your picks. Draft like that and see yourself finish last. While some things I said are opinions and not factual, like the fact that I think a better pick was there at 8 than Lynch, some things I said aren't. There is literally NO REASON to draft a kicker unless you draft right before the season starts. You use that spot to draft someone that might gain value between the day of your draft and the season. And again, defense at the END of the draft. Really, if nothing all that special is there by that point, skipping drafting a DEF for a player that may gain value is ideal as well. And you definitely don't wanna draft two DEF and two Ks.
- D-Neff D-Neff Aug 11, 2014 2:10 AM Flag
I didn't even finish reading this after the first four sentences because they were so flawed it's hilarious.
I got news for ya bud, this year everyone isn't gonna run for the exact ypc, touchdown pace and so forth that they did last year. Doesn't work that way. Wouldn't be much of a point to play if it did(Oh and I'm a Cowboys fan btw still laughing at this).
See if it worked like that, then Murray would've averaged 4.1 ypc like he did two years ago. Again, it doesn't. Lines improve, passing games improve(in the case of helping the RBs), RBs evolve and get better.
Overall pure talent, Murray probably is the best. He is tied to a great offense. Sadly, Dallas doesn't like to run it like they should. Murray has missed 11 games in 3 years while only getting about 650 touches total(so roughly 215 a year). Bottom line is thats serious enough to factor into his value and Dallas knows this and is extremely unlikely to let him go for 300 plus touches.
Then go to Montee Ball, he averaged 4.7 ypc as a rookie, again as a rookie. Not too shabby. The Broncos ran the ball more than anyone near the goal line last year(wild isn't it), lost Decker and he is now the feature back. Ball saw 150 touches as a back-up last year. A year more of advancement, a lead role tied to the best offense in the league with a history showing he can handle a big workload(go check college stats - which btw Murray struggled to stay healthy at the OU also) and it all adds up to Ball being the play over Murray. Again, this is coming from a Cowboys fan.
- D-Neff D-Neff Aug 10, 2014 11:26 PM Flag
I'm so lost at why Andre or Ray is a question. It's Andre, then it's Andre,then it's still Andre.
RG3 has a better and more explosive cast on a team that is likely to be willing to open it up more so I'd lean him but you are likely splitting hairs between those two because Kaep also has a better cast than he has had before.
- D-Neff D-Neff Aug 10, 2014 11:20 PM Flag
Its a 10 team league, where only 50 RB/WR combined total will start. Of course you are gonna think you did well. Everyone is going to because hardly anyone gets drafted to be starters on respective teams.
Hate your Qbs(yeah I think Tann will improve too but he isn't gonna be worth starting in a 10 team league), starting WR are solid and your strong point, RB 2 and flex you are gonna have to hope a few guys become legit as B, Lamar, Ryan, Josh are all question marks right now. If any of them run with the job then you got a solid RB2 and if you are really active a flex can always be filled during season(especially in a league where 3 people get drafted like this to start).
You should be above average at WR amd TE. below average everywhere else as it stands right now, but like I said one of those RBs takes off then you have an above average RB group in relation to the league size and amount of starters.
Btw really don't understand the roster make-up here, let's have 7 offensive starters in a league, then make our bench be 8 spots. How about adding a WR slot and another flex and doing away with the 2 bench slots. Then you are getting close to kinda having a league. Also starting line up should have Lamar and Mathews in it and not Floyd and Bishop with the way team situations stand as of today. League setup is awful though, don't see how it's any fun to have a handful of starters and 85 guys on your bench.
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You couldn't be more wrong. How is that a disadvantage? You act like Goldy puts up insanely better numbers than Beltre? He will be for a longer time due to youth that will make a noticable impact for the manager dealing Beltre likely starting in 2016. And the guy that had Goldy is just replacing the production he was getting with Beltre's. He isn't actually making his team so much better than it initially was before his injury. And with the guy who had Goldy being in 2nd, obviously he has a good team and this trade is going to hurt him in future years which is benefical to all the bottom teams by dealing a top keeper 1b for a guy getting close to the end of the road.
Keeper and dynasty leagues involve way more insight and strategy than a straight re-draft league, so no surprise you don't like them.
Only way you get him is if you have the highest waiver out of the teams that actually pay attention in the league.
Idk why you'd drop Richardson either, I'd drop your kicker(you shouldn't even own a kicker yet cause he is wasting a roster spot but I'm sure you do), so drop him.
I'd bounce, that league is full of people that have no idea how to play in keeper leagues. That's a great trade for you, that's what is suppose to take place in keeper/dynasty leagues. Teams out of it should try to trade valuable older players to acquire younger ones and draft picks and hurt players that in are Goldy's situation.
If they are veoting that then they flat out have a sorry league, need to all go back to playing in one year leagues because they are clueless about keeper and dynasty leagues. I've been playing in keeper and dynasty leagues for all 3 major sports for 7 years, and that is a GREAT, GREAT, GREAT trade for you with your team in it's situation you mentioned. Very funny they said you were stupid. In keeper dynasties I'm in, Goldy would net you something younger than Beltre. In a 14 team, 13 keeper per team league I'm in, I lost Goldy and dealt him to the 13th place team for Jose because we both value Jose more but I'm in first, he's done for the year so he got who we both feel is the better(and younger) fantasy player while I got the production rest of year.
How stupid, seriously are you? Lmao. Yes I DID INFER, I didn't say it. Again, do you even know what you say your own self? Read your post, you said " i never said i would drop CarGo" and I responded I never said you said you would drop CarGo. Now you are arguing something different. Lmao, I mean seriously, come on man, give it a rest.
There is a lot that goes into predicting future stats for a keeper: age, current numbers, are you young and heading towards your prime, old and exiting your prime, are your current numbers in line with your career if you have many years or an outlier? What kind of team do you have around you? Will you have around you? You in a hitters or pitchers park? Will you be staying in that hitters or pitchers park? What kind of injuries have you had that could effect you down the road? Theres a ton of things that come together to predict future value for keeper and dynasty leagues.
How is the Mauer joke a shot at me? Lmao. I'm saying Mauer ONE year had a lot of power, the rest he didn't so you should bet on the fact he won't be doing it again. Kind of like Joey Bats hitting .300 is a freak thing, you shouldn't bet on him doing it again. No kidding Joe wouldn't come close to that haha, that entire paragraph was me being sarcastic and laughing at you about Joey Bats. If you didn't comprehend that, then you are really struggling bro. Bautista has had over 73 RBI in a season exactly TWO TIMES. So I guess when he is 34, 35, 36 he's a lock for 100 plus RBI all the time though. For 54 HR the one year his 124 wasn't rbi(career high) is one of the lowest of anyone ever to hit 50 HR in a year(thats almost Brady Andreson terrority who never had 100 RBI any year but the year he hit 50) and then the year after when he hit 43 he barely cleared 100.
So again, like I said for his HR totals, he hasn't put up the kind of RBI numbers you'd expect to go with them.
You are getting seriously overpaid and likely could benefiit from this trade by using it to make other trades, so really it depends on the league. If this is a public league where trading is few and far between then no, I'd instead be looking to package Gerhart and Roddy for a better RB if that's what you want or more precisely I'd be dealing Roddy for a TE and/or Tate. If you can use Tate in any of the following scenarios I'd jump on that also.
If this is a very active trading league ect, then you could make the deal then just flip Ball and Gerhart for a top RB possibly(you obviously would need to go to the owners of AP, JC and see what their roster looks like and see if you could make something like this happen first. Or you could even look to flip Ball and Roddy for Calvin and go from McCoy, Gerhart, Roddy to Gio, Gerhart, Calvin.
Or better yet address you weakness and try to get Graham and turn McCoy, Gerhart, Ertz, Roddy into Gio, Gerhart, Graham, Patterson by going to the Graham owner and offering Roddy n Ball and Ertz to if you want.
I'm guessing the Graham owner may be weak at WR or RB since he took Graham, no idea for sure since idk how the draft went but ideally you'd be able to take this trade and go acquire Graham.
Again, you would need to have a deal in place for the second trade, before accepting the first, otherwise you could get burned potentially.
You forgot something important, what is the roster setup. Are you drafting a third rb to ride your bench, plug in a rb spot, flex spot? What we got going on here?
Also, why do you think Adrian Peterson is going to be available at pick 4? Little confused on that...
Why is Demaryius in this discusson?
Top 7 should be some mix of in no particular order AP, JC, Shady, Lacy, Graham, Calvin, Forte. And usually someone decides to grab a QB early for some unknown reason, guess so they can lose, so wouldn't shock me if someone takes a QB and you actually have to choose out of 2 of those named.
I'm not saying I'm some great king, I'm saying I am a person, same as anyone and you have no right to constantly talk down to me, first calling me a j-ace, then a kid as if you are some superior of mine. I am bashing your analysis yes, but I'm not flat out insulting you. I'm pointing out your wrongs, sure you get defensive cause you can't deal with it, but I'm not calling you all these random names.
I never said you said you'd drop CarGo, read it again bro. Numbers this year are only part of a huge formula used for predicted value in the future.
Your inability to read and admit anything you are wrong about is funny. I like how you have completely ignored Bautista's average the past two years.
Hey I bet Joe Mauer is gonna hit 35 HR next year! Cause he did it that one time, must mean he gonna do it again, I should bet on that!
And actually, Joey has never really had those super elite RBI numbers btw, especially for the amount of HR he hit some previous years. To suggest he is gonna give you superior RBI numbers than CarGo doesn't make sense either. Another fail.
Lmao, oh no I said trade instead of keep. Same thing applies, you ARE USING WHAT SOMEONE DID THE LAST 10 GAMES to use for projecting future years production. It's idiotic, and so laughable.
Bautista is NOT A HIGH AVERAGE HITTER though lol.
Brady Anderson hit 50 HR one year, he wasn't a power bat. Hell Joe Mauer hit 30 HR or whatever it was one year, he isn't a power bat. Same with Els, same with all kinds of guys.
You would get absolutely murdered in competitive keeper leagues lol.
Exactly, Joey is just a bat performing well now. For a regular league, one year, he's the choice. Keeper, dynasty, no.
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