Commissioner Corner Message Board
- CWizzle CWizzle Dec 17, 2013 4:51 PM Flag
As far as overall value goes, I like the deal. BUT if rebounding and blocks are your main concerns I'm not so sure about this trade. IF Noah would stay healthy all year it would be a good trade, but with all his injury concerns I'd rather have LeBron and Vucevic helping with rebounding and blocks than JUST Drummond, while Noah sits on your bench with an injury.
So, I like the trade as far as value goes, but whether it benefits your team in the long run I think really comes down to whether or not Noah stays healthy. And obviously you'll have to consider what Drummond's FT% will do to your team.
But even though I'm in the minority that thinks Crawford can hang onto value in standard leagues even after Rondo returns, I think it will be pretty borderline in 10 teamers. So, if you assume that he will become a droppable player in a month, I like this trade for you even with taking the risk on Noah's health.
But honestly, if you do make this deal, I would STRONLY consider trying to trade Noah for someone who might have slightly less stats, but is more likely to stay healthy.
- CWizzle CWizzle Dec 17, 2013 4:43 PM Flag
Not that close? LOL. I agree with you that I'd rather have Millsap than Martin unless I was really really deep at PF and extremely thin at SG, but I'd have to strongly disagree that it's not that close, at least based on the facts.
Basketball Monster has Martin ranked 18th on the year, and Millsap is currently ranked 27th.
Yahoo has Martin ranked at 16h, while Millsap is ranked 31st.
Yes, Millsap is starting to play much better recently, and Martin is dealing with injuries, and yes I think Millsap is the better player, but I'm just not sure how based on statistics, which is what fantasy is all about, you can say it's not that close? Millsap obviously provides MUCH better rebounds and blocks, but outside of that, I'm just seeing anything that stands out to say that he is head and shoulders above K-Mart?
But yeah, Millsap would be my choice depending on the rest of my roster, as the 2 player's values are EXTREMELY close right now, but Millsap has better upside and is more likely to improve on his season averages. Just look at the improvement he's had in the last 2-3 weeks. While Martin is playing well, I don't see him taking any big steps forward.
- CWizzle CWizzle Dec 17, 2013 3:08 PM Flag
Well so far this season as whole, Hawes and Turner have more overall value, but I personally see both of their values trending down as the season goes on. Just look at whats going on recently. The Sixers started out on a tear, and so did Hawes and Turner. Now the team isn't doing so well, and both players have seen at least a small drop in value. Sure, MCW has been out for most of that time, but even with MCW I just don't see the Sixers playing very well for the rest of the season, and on a bad team most players will be inconsistent, and that's how I view both Hawes and Turner, slightly inconsistent with their current numbers basically as their ceiling.
I feel Cousins is playing great basketball and STILL hasn't reached his ceiling yet. I don't think Rudy Gay will negatively effect his value, although a couple good games is too early to tell. Once the Kings go through a frustrating losing streak, then we'll see if Gay goes back to his isolation/ 20+ shots per game ways.
But personally I'd take Cousins over Hawes/Turner, especially if you can grab someone with at least some potential like Williams.
But I kind of think with as hot as they have been this year, most people would rather have the Sixers duo.
- CWizzle CWizzle Dec 17, 2013 3:05 PM Flag
OK, I'm just saying that if he indeed does average the high end of those stats you listed, and you choose not to play him in your 20 team league, you are not going to win.
I definitely respect your opinion on your guess of what type of player he will be, I just strongly disagree with your value of those numbers you listed.... If I posted those numbers. Those numbers are very close to Andre Drummond's numbers this season, and I definitely view him as more than a 20 team league type of player. But thanks again for your opinion. Just respectfully agree to disagree on something that hasn't even happened yet LOL.
- CWizzle CWizzle Dec 17, 2013 2:51 PM Flag
I would feel pretty comfortable taking Brandan Wright and Reggie Jackson over Tristan Thompson in a 20 team dynasty league. Jackson's long term potential by itself is as much if not WAY more than THompson's and Wright is no scrub. He started to show at the end of last year what he is capable of in the right situation. If he's given minutes he should have similar scoring as TT, MUCH better defensive numbers and FG%, and slightly less rebounds.
- CWizzle CWizzle Dec 17, 2013 2:47 PM Flag
Wait, I'm confused. Are you saying that you would consider a player that might average, on your top end of your estimate 10 pts, 10 rebs, 2 asts, 2 stls, and 1.4 blks a BENCH PLAYER and someone not even worth owning an a SIXTEEN TEAM LEAGUE?!!!?
Playing the hypothetical game here, IF those were his real numbers and assuming he had a nice FG%, higher than 50%, and even taking into consideration his low FT% (but probably no very high volume) you don't think those numbers would warrant a roster spot on a 16, 14 12 or hell probably even a 10 team league?!
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with your guess on his numbers, because like I said it's obviously just a guess at this point, but the numbers you guessed would be well worth a spot on teams smaller than just 20 teamers lol.
- CWizzle CWizzle Dec 17, 2013 2:43 PM Flag
1st or last place, Faried/Harris for MCW is a bad deal. Unless Harris comes out REALLY soon, gets a consistent 30+MPG and produces like last year, that's a bad deal for him. You'll have to give more to get MCW even though he's currently injured.
Question: When you wrote Faried, Harris, and Plumlee for Sanders did you mean for MCW AND Sanders? If so, I doubt that is going to work either. Like I said, Faried/Harris for MCW isn't enough, and Plumlee for Sanders is a bad deal for him as well ,even though Sanders is injured.
IF these guys both had no timetable on a return, and your players were playing higher to their potential it'd be possible. But Plumlee has fallen off a lot since the beginning of the year, Harris hasn't proven he can duplicate what he did last year, and Faried has been a mild disappointment. While on his side, both Sanders and MCW have had positive updates recently.
Oh wait, I just looked at your roster and now this deal makes ZERO sense to me. You already have Curry, Bledsoe, Lillard, Thomas and Rubio 4 of which are in the top 10 ranked fantasy PGs right now, while all 5 are in the top 12 and all have very nice season long outlook on their value.
Why would you want to trade for ANOTHER PG instead of making trades for the areas you actually need to improve in?
If you were in a 12 team h-2-h 9 category keeper league, who would you rather have as a keeper:
My team is currently not doing very well, but still a chance with a couple more moves I could make the playoffs, so I'm looking for best balance of current value and future value.
I think Paul George is the MUCH better long term keeper option, but he's had a few bad shooting games in a row, and Melo has been on fire lately, which is why the guy likely accepted my offer that I sent 2 weeks ago and kind of forgot about lol.
Not that it matters since they are both so similar in this category, but my team is currently punting FT%, and likely will be again next year, unless I trade Drummond and Howard.
Trying to upgrade my PG position by packaging Jennings +1 or 2 for a keeper quality PG with better FG%. Who could I realistically aim for if I packaged Jennings with:
Kyle Korver, John Henson, Thad Young, Brandon Knight, Patrick Beverley, OJ Mayo (listed in order I value them)
With my team's keeper core build for high FG% and punting FT%, a SMALL part of me is thinking about packaging BOTH Conley and Jennings for a top tier PG like Curry or Paul, and then taking a big risk and adding Nerlens Noel as my 5th keeper... How crazy of an idea is that?
Would you rather have:
George, Drummond, Howard
George, Drummond, Howard, Noel
OK, before anyone tries to be smart and say, how could we possibly know about a player who will be coming off a serious injury, hasn't played 1 minute in the pros and only played 1 year in college?
Well, that's why I'm asking for people's best GUESS. I mainly want to know how the majority of other people view his fantasy potential for the future, regardless if they end up being right or wrong, I'm just trying to gauge his PERCIEVED value.
Honestly, I think he is just not heavy enough to withstand a full nba season of banging into guys like Roy Hibbert, Dwight Howard, Nikola Pekovic etc etc. But anybody who nearly averages a double double with 4+ blocks and 2+ steals per game at the college level is worth a look IMO.
So, best guesses? Come right out of the gate as a dominant force like Anthony Davis? Have an underwhelming start but slowly prove his worth like John Henson is doing? A complete bust? A decent role player and end of the bench filler on future fantasy squads? JUST a blocks specialist?
Thinking about sending out some offers for him in a deep 16 team keeper league, and an extremely deep 20 team dynasty league.
- CWizzle CWizzle Dec 15, 2013 5:59 PM Flag
I'd disagree that it's "waaaay too much". I mean Westbrook struggled to start the year, but is starting to come on, and when at full health is a late 1st round/early 2nd round value at worst. Late 1st/early 2nd would be a by far, down and out BEST case scenario for Damian Lillard, and unlikely to happen IMO.
So, to me, between the two PG's the nod goes to Westbrook with a worst case scenario it's a wash.
That would leave Afflalo and Johnson for Hawes. Although Afflalo is still putting up good numbers, he has definitely fallen off slightly in the last couple of weeks. Add a healthy Tobias Harris to the picture and I think he will lose a little more value. Still a good fantasy player but not a top 15 type like he was playing like at the beginning of the year. And although Amir is starting to put it all together, he did get off to a rough start, so who knows if he'll stay consistent. I think he probably will, but it's not guaranteed. While Hawes has been a top 40 value or better all year.
I personally think it is giving up a little more overall value, but not "waaaay" too much lol.
- CWizzle CWizzle Dec 15, 2013 5:53 PM Flag
wait, are you referring to Klay Thompson or Tristan Thompson? If Klay, then no way this gets accepted, or even considered. If Tristan I think it's a fair offer value-wise, but CP3 is still the best fantasy PG so he might want a massive return if he's going to part with him. In the leagues that I own top 3 players, unless my team was really struggling, I would only consider trading them if I was making out like a bandit. If it was just a so-so deal, I'd rather just keep my superstar.
- CWizzle CWizzle Dec 14, 2013 7:29 PM Flag
OK, even though you are incorrect I can understand rounding up on the 17.7 pts and the 5.8 rebounds, even though, again, that is not correct. 0.3 is actually a big deal throughout the course of a whole season even if it doesn't seem like it would be in any 1 game. But c'mon dude, to prove your point you rounded 7.3 assists to 8? If you are going to round a 0.3 difference to the closest number like you did in points, you should do the same in assists, giving him a total of 7, which last time I checked was 3 away from 10, and last time I checked 3 assists per game was a BIG deal. What next? Round his .408 FG% to 50? lol. Like I said before, just quit now. Check this out, I can round off Durant's stats too: he is shooting almost 50% from the field, 90% from the line, 2 3's per game, 30 pts, 10 rebs, 6 asts, and nearly 2 steals and 2 blocks per game
- CWizzle CWizzle Dec 14, 2013 7:22 PM Flag
I'd want more in return if I were giving up Carmelo. Sure Oladipo keeps improving and Anderson has great value right now, but Melo should give you a top 10 player in return, and if trading for depth I'd stay away from someone who is currently involved in trade rumors that could possibly effect his fantasy value.
- CWizzle CWizzle Dec 14, 2013 7:20 PM Flag
In standard leagues that is not enough to get in return for Curry. In your points league where 3 pointers are worth so much and Curry is the reigning 3 point champ, that is definitely not enough.
Al Horford is a valuable fantasy player for sure. But his stellar FG% doesn't help you in your league, and his nice steals and blocks aren't weighted in your league, so since they are worth the same as rebs and assists that takes away from his value as well. I know he can get double doubles but he isn't getting them every single game, and without looking it up, I think Curry has right around the same amount of double doubles, so there isn't any real edge for Horford there either.
Honestly I would not even add any of those other guys to the deal, because when you consider you'd have to drop someone as well I don't think it would be worth it.
With those settings, I'd think that Curry would be 1 of the most valuable guys in the league and if someone wants him you should make them REALLY pay. I'd personally just keep him, but if I were to trade him it would be for a guy like Kevin Love who would also have significant value in your league settings.
- CWizzle CWizzle Dec 14, 2013 7:13 PM Flag
Well, you gave up some nice players but did get some young depth in return, so I'm kind of torn on whether I like the moves overall or not. I'd like to see the individual trades. But the main thing to me that you are missing is another legit, already proven or up and coming young PG to compliment IT2. I'm not a big fan of Calderon this year. We are seeing what he is capable of when he plays for a team with a legit scoring threat (Dirk) and another playmaker (Monta), and Mo-Will doesn't have much long-term value in a dynsasty league .I'd consider trying to package Calderon with 1 of your bigs for a legit PG if you can. Who you target would determine which big you offer. But maybe you could find someone that is high on Blatche? If Noel becomes a legit defensive presence and Steven Adams grows into a solid NBA player, your frontcourt is going to be hard to beat in a 20 teamer. That is some very nice young depth there. I also like the cdombo of Parsons and Tobias at SF, and if Danny Green can turn things around even your SG's will be hard to compete with. But as of right now, your PG position is your weakest position when looking at it long term. As far as FA's go, I don't think I'd drop any of your players for those guys.
- CWizzle CWizzle Dec 14, 2013 6:57 PM Flag
Thanks. I feel like I have a lot of talent on this team, but they just don't fit well together, mainly because of a few of my high volume/low % FT shooters and FG shooters really screw up BOTH % categories for me. I really screwed up with that in the draft. My core of keepers was based towards punting FT%, but then I ended up drafting a bunch of bad FG% guys so now I don't do well in either category, and although my assists are nice, my A/T is pretty bad. So if I have an off week in any of the main 5 categories I'm pretty much screwed.
I'd really like to make some trades to adjust my game plan but for some reason it's very hard to makes trades in this league.