Draft and Trade Talk Message Board
- Reply to Andrew Dec 12, 2014 11:00 PMCWizzle CWizzle Dec 13, 2014 1:07 PM Flag
You seem like you could use a little more depth at SF. I'd look into guys like Rashard Lewis or Lamar Odom. Other than that I see no holes in this roster.
- CWizzle CWizzle Dec 16, 2014 2:53 PM Flag
Courtney Lee is 1 of those players who's value is higher than a quick look at the box score would suggest. He doesn't have many eye popping stat lines, but is a solid contributor across the board in 9 cat leagues. His excellent %'s and low TO's are what set him apart from other players that can hit 3's and get steals. Afflalo scores more and has more flashy stat lines since a lot of people focus a lot of points, but I'd personally father have Lee for his well balanced value.
Since your 2 weakest categories are 2 of Lee's biggest strengths the move makes even more sense to me.
- CWizzle CWizzle Dec 15, 2014 1:01 PM Flag
David Lee is owned in all leagues that I'm a part of, which are 12, 16 and 20 team leagues. But, yes even in my 12 team h-2-h non-keeper league he has been owned all year.
And yes Lee's potential (even in a bench role if Draymond Green continues to start, which he definitely should) is much higher than McRobert's and using a wavier claim on Lee is a very safe move that I wouldn't second guess at all.
I'm NOT a fan of David Lee, at all. I don't like PF/C's that can't get at least 1 steal or block per game and if they can't do that they should at least be able to hit 3's. Lee has never been able to block shots, has never averaged more than 1 steal per game and has never been able to hit 3's, and that was all in a prominant starting role where he was 1 of the main options. With possibly less minutes in a bench role, I don't see Lee improving at all... BUT if he's the main offensive option in the 2nd unit he could still be a very good source of points and rebounds with good %'s and decent assists for a big man. He's worth owning, just as long as you know what you are getting from him.
McRoberts has a great all around game. He can shoot 3's, score, rebound, pass and get a few D-stats as well. But with his injury concerns and inconsistencies I'd rather have Lee.
- CWizzle CWizzle Dec 10, 2014 1:55 PM Flag
If you can trade Durant/Jackson/Faried for Love/Klay/Knight do it in a heart beat. But I doubt that would happen. While Jackson still has value with everyone else healthy, it's still going to take a hit. If you look at his game log at the last 4 games (when DUrant and Westbrook were playing) he put up OK numbers, but nothing like when those 2 were out. I think Jackson is still worth owning in all leagues but you can't value his future for this season based on what he did without their 2 superstars. And everyone knows how #$%$ Faried has been, not to mention he's currently injured. You can't count on him having a 2nd half comeback like last year. So you are basically giving up Durant plus 2 role players for 3 current top 40 players, with Klay currently in the top 10 and Love slowly moving back towards the top 15.
If I owned the Love/Klay side there's no way I make that deal, even if I am getting Durant. But maybe he bases value solely on big names and will accept, but I doubt it.
If he doesn't do that move, I'd try swapping out Knight for Dragic who is very valuable but ranked lower than Knight, and adding someone else from your team that has more value like Draymond Green and see if he bites.
- CWizzle CWizzle Feb 1, 2015 4:17 PM Flag
Without taking into account specific stats and what you'd gain or lose, and looking at upside I think I like Ibaka more, by a little bit. Right now Ibaka has had better value than Griffin on the year. And in that time I feel like he has NOT played as well as he could have, so he has some room to improve his value a little. On the other hand I think Griffin is getting pretty darn close to his ceiling. His season average ranking is 44 and that is with him shooting 50% from the field, 72 from the line, 5 assists per game and nearly 23 PPG. I don't see him taking many leaps forward in those categories. I also don't see him becoming a big time shot blocker or an overly dominant rebounder which is why I think his value is going to remain right around where it is.
But I feel like Ibaka still has room to grow in multiple areas, so in a bubble not consider specific stats I like Ibaka more.
- CWizzle CWizzle Jan 7, 2015 12:42 PM Flag
WIthout comparing him to free agents I'd say that yes, Olynyk is worht owning through the inconsistencies. BUT those are some pretty enticing FA's. Is this a 10 team league? With that level of talent in the FA I'd feel mroe comfortable dropping Olynyk if I wasn't happy with him since the other optinos are good.
- CWizzle CWizzle Jan 27, 2015 3:36 PM Flag
I think if you are thinking long term Parker is a good grab. But short term he's not. Stashing him will hurt your team this year obviously, but who's to say that Parker will bounce back 100% next season? Knees are tricky, some guys come back right out the gate while others take 1.5-2 years to fully recover. Luckily Parker has youth on his side. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if both Thad and Ariza have more fantasy value next season compared to Parker. BUT, overall for the future I'd rather have Parker than Ariza for sure, and probably Thad too.
So basically, if you are in contention I'd probably pass, but if not I'd probably stash him and hope for a quick recovery and a solid season next year.
- CWizzle CWizzle Feb 24, 2015 1:33 PM Flag
As much as I personally like Ty Lawson and Jrue Holiday, and also think Smart has potential, they are obviously at least 1 tier below the level of Lillard. So losing your only tier 1 PG and not receiving 1 in return is a deal breaker for me.
I love Beal and Davis is a beast, but honestly they are both starting to have a decent sized collection of injuries in their short careers, and that worries me.
I'd stick with what you have. Even with Ibaka's change in style of play this year I still think going forward he has a ton of upside, so Davis/Beal would have to stay healthy and Beal would have to reach teh very fullest of his potential in the future for this trade to be worth it to me.
I do like the idea of getting another SG though. If I owned Jamal Crawford in a dynasty format I would really make it a point of emphasis to trade him, especially if you aren't that worried about this season. Crawford is playing at a pretty elite level still, putting up top 60 value on the year in just 25 MPG. His 3's, scoring and FT% could really help out a contender this season, and his 3 positions of eligibility is a nice selling point too. Now the reason I'd trade him is because he's still got enough value to get someone good in return. If you wait too much longer, he will either start declining, or people will value him less simply becuase he's getting older. Just like Tim Duncan. he's still putting up very nice numbers, but doesn't have nearly as much value in a dynasty league because people know that sooner than later he's going to stop putting up 2nd round value.
Crawford will be 36 next season, and IMO right now he's 1-2 years away at max, from slowing down. Especially considering how he uses his speed to get his offense going. 1 or 2 seasons from now he might just be a 3 point specialist and not contributing enough in points and FT% or anywhere else to have good value
I'd suggest trading him for a young guy with future potential, even if you take a hit in the short term.
Just wanted to start this thread and see if it gets any traction. Usually things like this either get 1-2 responses, or become 20+ comment long threads lol.
Anyway, just for the hell of it I was wondering people's thoughts on the upcoming group of kids that will potentially enter next year's NBA draft? Whether there's 1 guy you think is really under rated, or over rated, or if you think someone has the chance to be a superstar in 4 years, or just your prediction of the top picks, or your prediction of the top fantasy rookies, let's hear it.
I did a bad job of keeping up with college ball this year, but have started to get back into it these last couple weeks.
My very 1st thoughts are:
Karl-Anthony Towns will have a better overall NBA game than Jahlil Okafor. I just like his defense and athleticism so much more. Not saying that Okafor will be a bust by any means or that he shouldn't be a top pick. But I do think that Towns has a better chance of improving his offense over time than Okafor does at improving his defense over time... I'd even go out on a limb and say that I think Willie Cauley-Stein has as much of a chance of having success in the NBA as Okafor does. I'm sure most will disagree, but only time will tell.
As far as big men go outside of those 3, I REALLY REALLY like what I see from Myles Turner. I think regardless of where in the draft he's taken, I think he has a good shot at being 1 of the bigger surprises in the draft. I mean, everyone knows he's good and he's probably 1 of the top 5 big man prospects, but you don't hear him being talked about as much as Okafor and Towns. Turner's size, length and high IQ, mixed with his FIBA experience, competitiveness and maturity make him the type of guy that NBA teams will fall in love with. Now he'll have to bulk up and be a little more sure footed but I really like what I see.
Another guy I think hasn't had as much hype as he deserves is Dakari Johnson. Julius Randle and Cauley Stein have outshined him last 2 yrs
- CWizzle CWizzle Feb 12, 2015 5:45 PM Flag
I would probably think hard about dropping Bogut for Jrue, although it's tough since there's little info on how long he'll be out. remember last year it was a day-to-day/ week-to-week type thing and then eventually they just said he's out for the year. So it's hard to get a read on when/if he'll return. And while Bogut is good for FG%, rebs and blocks you could probably do just fine with bigs like Davis, Gasol, Millsap, Favors, Drummond, Randolph and Griffin.
I'd say that MCW is your other most droppable player due to his poor %'s , high TO's and injuries but for some reason people can't look past his very impressive PTS, REBS and ASTS so not many people would agree with me lol. Carroll is your 3rd most droppable guy but I think you need the depth at his position, and he's underrated IMO.
Beal would obviously be another drop candidate if his injury is very serious and season ending, but nobody knows at this point.
- CWizzle CWizzle Dec 4, 2014 11:08 AM Flag
Brandan Wright's rebounding isn't "pretty good". It's actually pretty bad. 1 double digit rebounding game all season, his second highest was 7 and that was just once. He has 9 games with 3 or less rebounds. Also, he has only played 20 minutes or more once in the last 5 games, and that was only for 23 minutes. So I'm a little confused why you think he's starting to get more PT and has good rebounding?
He also doesn't score barely at all. So although he's ranked the highest out of those guys you mentioned, his value to your specific team depends on what you need most. Wright's value is based on his FG%, TO's and blocks.
If that value in high FG%, low TO's and decent blocks is enough to take your team over the edge then stick with Wright. If you need more variety in stats that drop Wright even if his ranking says he's a top 50 player. He's only top 50 if he's actually helping your team.
- CWizzle CWizzle Dec 8, 2014 1:25 PM Flag
I think it's kind of an ugly trade and IMO pretty lopsided but it's definitely not lopsided enough to be considered unfair or veto worthy. Carter-Williams has a horrible ranking on the year due to his awful %'s and TO's but he's been a top 90 player in the last 2 weeks and a top 50 player in the last week. If the team getting him is in need of PG stats and doesn't care about %'s then MC-W can be considered a top tier PG for that particular team.
But on the other hand, I agree Horford hasn't looked like himself this year, and is still putting up NICE value, with his arrow still pointing up.
So, even though Horford looks slugish at times and Carter-William's box scores can be pretty eye popping, Horford is still the much more valuable player in this deal IMO. But, like I said some managers won't care about his deficient areas and when you take those out of the picture he's a stud, so it could work for both managers.
I'm glad it wasn't veto'd. I HATE when trades get the veto just because managers don't think it's a good deal. To my understanding veto's weren't meant to stop managers from making bad decisions, or to stop trades that might not make sense to the other managers. They were meant strictly to prevent collusion or to prevent trades that are SO obviously lopsided and unfair that it will undo the balance of the whole league.
This trade doesn't fit that criteria.
Just my 2 cents.
- CWizzle CWizzle Dec 4, 2014 11:14 AM Flag
Outside of FG% which admittedly goes up and down a lot, would you care to explain why you think Tobias Harris isn't consistent?! LOL. Not to mention you say he has 20 and 10 potential but isn't doing that. Technically you are right, but he is averaging 18 and 8. So it's not like he has 20 and 10 potential but is only putting up 12 and 6 every night.... Harris has scored double digit points every game this year that he's played in. Has had less than 5 rebounds in a game just 3 times. Only has 4 games without at least 1 steal, and has been consistent at the line. He also doesn't turn the ball over much.... SO again, where is this inconsistency you talk about?
- CWizzle CWizzle Dec 8, 2014 1:18 PM Flag
Best FA's available:
Mason Plumlee (almost took him instead of Ed Davis since both should be starting this week)
- CWizzle CWizzle Dec 15, 2014 1:29 PM Flag
Cousins and you don't even have to think about it. Griffin is a great player and is very valuable especially since he's figured out how to hit FT's (anyone else think it's more than coincidence that he started hitting his FT's after that commercial came out where he goes back in time and tells his past self to practice his free throws??!! lol) But Cousins is just the better all around player. And even though he's been out for a while, it's due to an illness not an injury that could linger or potentially get re-aggravated.
So, Cousins by a lot but don't be surprised to see Cousins take a week or 2 to get back into the swing of things, he'll likely need to get his conditioning back. I doubt with a serious illness like his that he's been doing much besides resting.
- CWizzle CWizzle Dec 13, 2014 1:30 PM Flag
Lee for Lopez sounds OK in theory but I don't see it happening. Although the salaries are close I just can't picture GS wanted to pay just under $30 mil this year and just under $30 mil next year for two guys who can only play center and are extremely injury prone. If they both go down the team is screwed. If they both stay healthy they are paying $13-16 mil to a bench player.
On the Nets side they'd be either building for the future and giving up on this season, or putting all their eggs into the Plumlee/KG at center basket. Either way, besides getting rid of an injury risk I'm not sure how this makes sense for the Nets.
This is just my point of view on things though, for all I know that trade will happen tomorrow lol. I just don't think trading Lopez with his injury history and current salary is going to be easy.
- CWizzle CWizzle Dec 15, 2014 2:23 PM Flag
Pekovic will likely be out until February, and even when he's back Dieng has earned some minutes and they were already planning on limiting Pek's minutes anyway. Not to mention he'll probably be injured on and off all year (my guess). Noel has been the definition of inconsistent so far, and his %'s are rough. His FG% can really hurt you when he takes more than a couple shots, especially for a big man. He's also fairly TO prone for a big man without much of an offensive game. BUT, you can't deny his defensive stats and his upside.
I don't think either player are must own players in 12 team leagues, but when looking at the big picture/long term Pek will be better for %'s, PTS and REBS, Noel will be MUCH better in steals and blocks.
I'm not a big fan of Pek when healthy, definitely not a fan when injured so if you can deal with the bad %'s and inconsistencies in everything but the D-stats then Noel could be a better option.
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