Draft and Trade Talk Message Board
- Reply to Justice Aug 10, 2015 12:48 PM
You are looking at it from the wrong perspective. The yardage points for this league isn't really a big deal vs. standard. The points difference you are seeing comparing QBs is due to the TD stats. The 6 ppg difference between Luck and Romo is the same difference you would see in standard scoring with 6pt pass TDs. (Luck and Rodgers getting fewer points via rushing stats also helps keep this number close.) You are also comparing players you would would almost always start vs. ones you will be playing based on matchups; it's easier to stream QBS than defenses. (Playing Rivers/Tannehill's best games in this format last season gets you Rodgers.)
What this league really does is devalue rushing QBs like Wilson and Newton. It makes TD-dominant RBs, WRs, and TEs, even the ones with low yardage, much more valuable to their counterparts. (Yahoo standard scoring for these players actually used to be 20 ypp with no fractional points.)
- Reply to Justice Aug 10, 2015 12:48 PM
Um, no. Aside from severely devaluing guys like Wilson and Newton and increasing the value of TD-heavy RBs and WRs, this league would be no different than a league with standard scoring with 6pt pass TDs. Elite RBs, WRs, and TEs are still just as rare. QBs are still just marginally different from each other, running QBs aside.
- Reply to Rory Aug 4, 2015 9:27 PM
1. Stop being a control freak.
2. There is no reason to have such a feature; it's not for you to decide who an owner adds/drops.
3. If you don't trust teams in your league, don't allow those teams in your league. Honestly, having such a feature would only implicate the commish as a cheat.
4. If you have noobs in your league, use the can't cut list.
I wouldn't take him before Anderson or Murray, which seems to be happening in drafts of late. Possibly Forte and McCoy too. He played like 1st rounder after officially taking over as the starter last season. (He was gold with 20+ touches). There is certainly nothing wrong with taking him near the end of the first over some of the WRs being drafted there. I think the holdback is simply if he will repeat or not. He'll still lose some touch to Bernard, who this time last year appeared to be the next big thing in Cincy and was being drafted on the cusp of the top 10 backs. Bernard didn't repeat (or improve) on the promise he showed his rookie year. Martin didn't repeat. Richardson didn't repeat. And you can keep listing out names to rookies that had busted 2nd years.
Even Marshawn Lynch would have been considered a bust in his 3rd and 4th seasons following two barely decent RB2 seasons.
Revising this since you said you had Gronk as a keeper in the 3rd and Foster as a non-keeper in the 4th.
Your keepers should be Gronk (3), Foster (4), Jeffrey (5), Evans (6), and Benjamin (15). Draft the best top-tier RB and WR combo available with your first two picks. Then get a QB in the 7th or later.
This sets you up to have:
QB - 7th or later (the likes of Romo, Newton, Ryan, Brady, etc.)
RB - (some RB1 other owners aren't keeping with a 1st rounder) + Foster
WR - WR1 (Green, Julio, or some other player not being kept) + Jeffrey + Evans
TE - Gronk
Bench WR - Benjamin
Unless you can make a pre-draft trade, keep Jeffrey, Evans, Hilton, and Benjamin and neither QB. This is essentially giving you four 3rd/early 4th round picks for your 5, 6, 8, and 15 and still leaving you your 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th picks to go crazy at RB or other positions in your draft.
You can draft Brees with your 4th rounder (or 3rd if you feel compelled to) or Romo with your 7th (or a comparable QB in the 9th or later). If you want to redraft Green, you can do so in the 2nd. He has a 23.6 overall ADP.
Brown, Evans, and Hyde easily. I would only consider going against that if your league starts 2 QBs, in which case, Newton has value; Rodgers and Manning being kept in the 1st makes me wonder about that.
Does your league make FA pickups a 5th rounder for the following draft?
Since you posted this more than a couple of hours ago, I can't help you. However, my advice would have been to leave the league immediately and don't join leagues with commissioners that don't know how setup rosters and use ridiculous bonus points. (You don't need 4 bonus points handed to players who are already outproducing their peers to begin with.)
If you really have to pick one, then Olson. One, you know what you are getting. Two, it's a round later than his ADP per Yahoo. Johnson has a 12th round ADP, which is an over-drafted ADP to begin with.
Brown by a mile
Forsett is only a RB2 at best, and it wouldn't be shocking if another RB on that roster stepped up to take over main RB duties. He had less than 5 points in three of his last five games last season, and 50% of his rushing yards came in just 5 games.
I think Fleener has the least upside of any of them. He had 51 receptions, 8TDs on 91 targets in 16 games last season. You might get that again, but I don't think you'll get more. He did that with Allen missing 4 games; plus, there are the additions of Johnson and Gore. I think Allen is the greater red-zone threat of the TEs, so if Gore cuts into any red-zone TDs, I think it's more likely to come from Fleener.
Thomas is a gamble, but so is Graham for that matter. A lot of things have changed with TEs this season, even including the Gates suspension, Gronk losing Brady for some games, and P. Manning and Brees, who like to throw to TEs, having new teammates. On the surface, TE appears to be a shallow position this year, but that often means the season will prove it to be a very deep position.
I think there is upside with Thomas to keep him and see if he becomes a major factor for the Jags (the Titans and Colts were two of the worst teams at defending TEs last year). But I would personally add Gates as a fallback or Reed/Walker if it looks like Thomas isn't going to cut it this year.
I don't know why you want to trade Anderson; he has a great keeper vs. round value, which will benefit you next season. What player do you expect to pick up with that 2nd rounder that will be a better option?
I assumed you lost your 2nd with Julio because of the order you listed them in. So not keeping him (and keeping all the RBs instead) places you in position to redraft him or a comparable WR in the 2nd (or your 1st for that matter if a lot of elite talent isn't available). WRs will be more prevalent in your draft than RB, and the position is easier to draft and fish from in FA.
On paper, this should set you at RB to be the best in your league at that position while still enabling you to get top talent at other positions (Bell, Murray, Anderson, and Hill would all typically be the regular starters for most teams). At worst, you will still get immense trade value out of them because trading one of them for another position (if you happen to need to) won't hurt your overall roster.
What draft pick do you lose if you get D. Murray?
Pending draft position, your best bet is to trade L. Murray for D. Murray. That's a steal.
You should then keep all three RBs and not keep Julio. Redraft Julio in the 2nd.
All those draft pick trades are worthless. For any round after the 2nd, you should add 5 (3rd is really the 8th) to it because that's the quality of players that will be available to draft. The only reason the 1st and 2nd aren't the same is because those players are less likely to be kept.
These guys commenting are crazy wanting you to trade less. Dez/Hopkins isn't enough to even get Charles in the first place. Go ahead and offer it; it won't be accepted. Hopkins isn't worth a keeper slot in a 4-keeper league this year.
Anderson and Benjamin. I have to imagine you have better options for your third than anyone else you've listed. Ingram is going before the 8th, but he's still going pretty late in drafts among starting RBs. I'm sort of surprised you even have to give up an 8th based on his ADP last year.
Does your league score 6 points for TDs, or is it something insanely high as well?
Really, you should stick with Thomas and see what he does. He's made his career so far on being a red-zone threat, and you don't need Manning for that. The Jaguars brought him in because their red-zone scoring was one of the worst in the league.
However, due to the excessive ppr points for your league, it wouldn't be a bad option to pickup Reed or Walker as a 2nd TE to be safe. Reed can't stay on the field, but he had 50 catches in 11 games last year. If he had that pace for 16 games, he would have been top 5 in receptions for TEs.
Regardless, Gates could likely still be available a couple games into the season due to his suspension, and would be a serviceable TE in this league both for receptions and TDs. You could drop Thomas then if you needed.
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