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How about adding Shootout Goals Scored for forwards in Fantasy Hockey 08?
There is games decided by shootout's almost every day so how come this statistic isn't available for H2H scoring leagues??
Let's get with the program Yahoo!
Punch and Freezebone make some very good points within the body of their arguments. Pers...
Punch and Freezebone make some very good points within the body of their arguments.
Personally I don't like deciding games based on a shootout in the first place, nothing wrong with a hard fought (or in Lemare's case hard trapped) battle to a standstill, be it 0/0 or 100 points per side. Ties reflect the balance of play between two combatants; a forced victory, which is what the shootout is - and in no way does a shootout reflect team play, nor does it really reward individual skill, because eventually someone has to wallow in an empty hallow victory - it's just a matter of time...
As to awarding points based on shootout goals, there is some merit it too it, but more merit lies in awarding for saves because, as Punch so rightly pointed out, it's the goalies that are the common factor and thread.
If points are to be awarded for shootout goals it should only be for the tie breaking goal and not all others that occurred during the shootout - because it is only the final goal that decides the outcome of the game. Goals that occur during regulation time effect the flow of the game and influence the efforts and outcomes of all participants. In Overtime, a lone goal decides the victor, there is no chance for rebuttal. The shootout in contrast offers a chance to neutralize a goal, therefor a shootout goal that is countered by one from an opponent should count for nothing because after it has been nullified it has no influence or impact on the outcome of the game.
I would probably never draft Jarrko Ruttu, and if he was on my team I would be reluctant to play him unless I needed penalties - but he is money in the shootout. However I am not going to waste a roster spot or a game on the slim possibility that their might be a shootout and Ruttu might get a shot that might be the winning goal. It's hard enough guessing which goalie is going to start, let alone win on any given night - shootout specialist's are a minutiae that is best left unseen.
What gets my goat most about the shootout is that it has destroyed one of the most elegant moments of the game, the penalty shot. Penalty shots are like a mountain orchard that blooms occasionally in the alpine meadows, their rarity and beauty when successful can not only turn the tide of the game - but entire seasons have swung for or naught with that solitary flash of the blade and gasp of the crowd - and were events that became part of a players legend and enshrined in a teams lore. And now we get to see 9 of them in rapid succession as the last act of mediocrity and compromise at the end of about 12% of the games.
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Re: Scoring statistic for 08!
I just kinda breezed through all the muck and arguments, and I have thought about this top...
I just kinda breezed through all the muck and arguments, and I have thought about this topic on many occassions. But another question, if you are going to count the player stats for shootouts, what about goalie stats??? If you count one, you have to count the other. And if the goalie lets in 2 goals on 2 shots, your % and GAA just went to hell. If you count one you have to count the other.
Here is the only thing I do find as a kind of happy medium...a separate "league" for shootouts. NHL.com does of a similar nature. A couple of ways it can be done.
1. You either pick "X" amount of players per night to possibly be in a shoot out.
2. You draft people just like now for only shootouts.
At this point, it can only count skaters and not goalies for stats.
no thanks. it's good for ratings but not for statistical battles. we'd be better o...
no thanks. it's good for ratings but not for statistical battles. we'd be better off to get points for face-offs or blocked shots.
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Obviously shootout goals should be in a separate category altogether. And Goalie performan...
Obviously shootout goals should be in a separate category altogether. And Goalie performances in shootouts too.
IMHO, these are definitely 2nd tier stats, like faceoffs and shot %. Or maybe one of those that you wouldn't necessarily draft specifically for, but would certainly use as a deciding factor when choosing between 2 players ( like +/-).
Fisch is right, they count the 2nd goal as the winner, in that proposed scenario. The reasoning: because that was the one that locked it out. Otherwise, we wouldn't know if that first one would have been the winner *because the other team never got to shoot their next shot*. The other team would have shot again if that second goal didn't lock it up. I know it seems weird since we are used to the first go-ahead goal being the winner, but in the shootout it's the locking out goal that does it. It's the one that prevented the other team from even having another go.
Also, please be a little more respectful to other posters, Dingo is a very helpful and intelligent contributor to the questions asked here. You can certainly disagree with a little more class than that. I don't agree with him that it is an unimportant stat, but I will say that it is a fringe stat that I don't care to have in any of my future leagues.
I do feel that Yahoo should include it for anyone who might like to have it.
Your comparison to Face Offs and Shots Blocked is not valid since those categories bring t...
Your comparison to Face Offs and Shots Blocked is not valid since those categories bring to many insignificant players into a statistic such as 3rd and 4th liners as 3rd defensemen. The shootout scorers are usually players who score during the playing time unless Washington and the Rangers get together for one of the 12 round shooting fiascos.
the sootout concept is so borderline hockey to begin with - this idea is ridiculous - you...
the sootout concept is so borderline hockey to begin with -
this idea is ridiculous - you want stats that encompass the central aspects of the game - not the marginal aspects
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WOW! Wild Dingo made the most retarded comment of the day! Congrats buddy! haha... &qu...
WOW! Wild Dingo made the most retarded comment of the day! Congrats buddy! haha...
"you want stats that encompass the central aspects of the game - not the marginal aspects"
Shootouts become marginal when they are NOT worth a point in the standings! Whether you like the shootout or not, it is a very big part of the game... teams miss the playoffs for not winning shootouts now! Get off the crack!
I've been wanting shootout statistics for the past couple of years now!
wild dingo does sound like a leafs fan, and is indeed an idiot. shootout goals win hocke...
wild dingo does sound like a leafs fan, and is indeed an idiot.
shootout goals win hockey games, period. if thats not worth atleast a tally in the GWG category, then i dont know what is. i agree maybe we should credit a player with a regular goal...but surely it does make sense for it to count as a GWG.
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Okay, I agree but if a team scores 2 SO goals and the other gets 0, which player gets the ...
Okay, I agree but if a team scores 2 SO goals and the other gets 0, which player gets the GWG. team A scores, B misses, A misses B misses and A scores, B can't win and doesn't get to shoot, who on A gets it (GWG)?
i don't think it should count as a game winner... in other fanatsy leagues such as spo...
i don't think it should count as a game winner... in other fanatsy leagues such as sportingnews, they count a SO goal in it's own category, and since it's an overall points league, they count it at about 1/3 of the value of a normal goal.
I think SO goals/saves/goals allowed should definitely be a stats though here at yahoo.
I also think takeaways and hits should be counted. That's another story completely though.
Whoa! Leafs fans know shootout goals mean a lot...we missed the playoffs last year cause ...
Whoa! Leafs fans know shootout goals mean a lot...we missed the playoffs last year cause we lost so many shootouts.
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