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  • FA waiver wire abuse ...feedback

    PUNCH by PUNCH . Dec 11, 2007 3:27 AM . Permalink
    PUNCH

    Man, that thread got so long it was taking forever to load.

    Anyway... I realize Scott thinks I hate him since I have defended the "streamer", but believe it or not, I agree with Scott that the streamer in question was being a dick for not bothering to read the postings within the league. I agree with Scott that the streamer's strategy was annoying, not well thought out, yet still advantageous in several categories that the anti-streamers cannot compete in.

    Though if you're making about 100 moves I don't see him having that big an advantage. Also, the fact that the streamer wasn't even in the top half of the standings doesn't make your case any stronger. You only mentioned that once and it got lost in the maze of replies.

    I am not in any custom H2H leagues, but I am surprised that you (Scott) state there is no option to limit the moves. I'd like to hear from any other comishes to verify that this is true.

    The only reason I defend the streamer is that if this were a case in a court of law. The streamer would win. He did not violate any laws. You restricted his rights. I realize the majority (in your pool) did not like the streamer's actions, but that is not enough to win your case. I understand your feelings about managing a team to represent hockey skills and that his actions were merely a loophole way to make unfair gains. Believe me, I get it. Until the loophole is fixed, you have no case.

    What about the anti-streamer's rights, you'll no doubt ask?

    There is no real guarantee that the anti-streamers are not gonna turn around stream their asses off toward the end of the season or in the H2H playoffs. How do you police such actions? Where the moral ground? Everyone has different opinions on what is excessive. Just look at your how many differing opinions were in your thread.

    Again, please comment if you can verify that you can or cannot put a limit on moves in a custom H2H league.

    • Anthony S

      Re: FA waiver wire abuse ...feedback

      Anthony S by Anthony S . Dec 11, 2007 6:51 AM . Permalink

      yes u can limit the moves

      yes u can limit the moves

    • nycsal

      Re: FA waiver wire abuse ...feedback

      nycsal by nycsal . Dec 11, 2007 12:08 PM . Permalink

      Punch, i don't think you hate me. i just think some of the things you said could have...

      Punch, i don't think you hate me. i just think some of the things you said could have been phased much better. like some of your analogies.

      to answer you question about putting limits, most of (if not all) you can only set PRE-draft and some others that have been mentioned are Roto only. in H2H the highest you can set the limited at is 100, it won't let you set it any higher. as i stated, (and somewhat exaggerated to try to make my point for all those saying i was anti-steamer), there are usually 2 or 3 owner per season in my league that hit about 100 or just over. and it's usually an owner who's had alot of injuries or a bad team in that given year. plus approx 100 FA moves comes to like 3 moves a week. which to me doesn't seem TOO excessive. so, i have never set those limits before for 2 reasons. A) we've never had this problem before, so we were'nt prepared for it B) since i can only set it as high as 100, i didn't want to limit those who "need" it.

      i think there's a huge difference between 3 FA moves per WEEK and 5 or 6 FA moves per DAY. and to reiterate, you can't make setting changes like this once the fantasy season starts, i checked before i made the original posting. so that's what led me to ask for advice/opinion on what to do. all those suggestions will help for NEXT year, but little help now.

      additionally, i realize what's being done is Technically not against any rules. but i think the "court of law" reasoning is lame. there are many things that in this world that are not technically against the law, but as evolved people we Know not to do them. plus as i said before, this is a custom league with our nuances to it. now i think it's a reasonable to critize me about him not knowing about this to start, but as i explained before i wasn't able to contact him to inform him about this. and it wasn't for the lack of trying.

      i also find it somewhat interesting that i wrote and UPDATE, with what was my resolution to this (that only you Punch, seemed to see) and it's buried on the 4th page here, but the original post keeps lingering on the 1st page. i only mention that cause i think i explained myself a little better in that posting.

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      • PUNCH

        Re: FA waiver wire abuse ...feedback

        PUNCH by PUNCH . Dec 11, 2007 2:03 PM . Permalink

        Well, the other thread by the same name was getting to be too long and out of sequence. T...

        Well, the other thread by the same name was getting to be too long and out of sequence. There was also a lot of people saying the same thing.

        OK Scott, since you love my analogies so much, here's one angle that may be more hockey related.

        Let me prefice, by stating that I am NOT a streamer. So when you are spewing your vitrol, address it to streamers.

        I equate streaming to...pulling the goalie for an extra attacker.

        If you think about it, it gives you extra oppertunities to add offence. Since there is no option to do so in Yahoo, streaming is the next closest thing. Remember, fantasy hockey is just a simulation of being a GM/Coach. There are still too many differences in real life and fantasy hockey.

        The streamer in Scott's league WAS taking it to an extreme as I feel it is best done in the begining when the rookies are being evaluated and the veterans are feeling the pinch. And at the end when you got little chance to win unless you try something.

        If you have a huge lead and are still streaming 3 players daily, than yes, you are ruining it for everyone.

        The other thing I find noteworthy, is that although Kev and Scott feel they are on the same page, they are really not. Kev feels it is too easy to win by excessive streaming. Scott's streamer was in 9th place (at one time. Don't know where he is now.) So Scott was probably annoyed at the fact that many of the worthy free agents had waiver periods to deal with.

        Also noteworthy was that the ratio of people who supported streamers against those who didn't was about 3-2 if not 2-1.

        There were also those who were willing to meet somewhere in the middle.