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Well, the trade has been approved... here is what the comish said sticking up for the trade:
Being commish had nothing to do with it...
and how, once again, was it lopsided?? Apparently some people didn't think so b/c they voted FOR it. They do that in this league...that whole "league review" is a checks and balances system.
And it went through.
I provided him with what he needed, which was depth and scoring numbers, and in return I got D and a 2 for 1 Goalie trade...
neither of us got shorted, nor did we get an advantage in the trade...
And then he rambles on about me needing to get over it....
And here is most of my response:
"and how, once again, was it lopsided??"
You've broken the trade down to two sections. The player trade and the goalie trade... let us have a closer look.
Sheldon Souray. Currently he is the 4th most fantasy productive player for defensemen. MannyFresh's next best D-man is 35th most productive (Jovanovski).
That means, before MannyFresh's top rated D-man shows up on the rankings list, FIVE of your D-men are listed. Checks and balances? He needed depths and scoring numbers? No, he actually needs Souray so his defense will not be terrible.
Boland, Moss, Ruutu. Their scoring numbers (as that is what he was, apparently, looking for) are 25, 22 and 27 points, respectively. After this trade, you picked up Grabovski & McArthur to replace the powerhouses you gave up for, again, the 4th best d-man in the game. Grabovski has 24points and MacArthur has 21 points. This pretty much cancels out trading Boland and Moss as they are pretty much providing the same production.
All that is left is Ruutu. And his STAGGERING production is a solid 27 points. So after Boland and Moss are canceled out (because MannyFresh could have easily just picked them off of the FA list) it is a Ruutu for Souray swap.
Ruutu has 27 points, Souray has 31... and Souray is from a far more difficult position to fill.
So, yeah: If MannyFresh just picked up Grabovski and MacArthur and kept Souray, he would have players that have produced 76pts, instead he traded his best D-man and now has people that have so far produced 74 points... and again... he SIGNIFICANTLY weakened his defensemen production.
If he was looking to add scoring, he has actually has added worse producers than a simple trip to the FA list would have given him...
The Goalie Trade:
Nabokov is ranked 9th (and is surely to improve on that since he is on the best team in the league and was out with an injury for a while). Rinne is 13th and Ersberg is 38th. Rinne is alright, but will (in all likelihood) eventually go back to being a back up... splitting games with Ellis at the most. But here is the strange part. He already had four goalies for the three available spots. Every goalie he had is more in demand than either of the two he traded for. Why would he waste a roster spot (that could be used on a forward, who he apparently needs to scoring) when he already has four pretty great goalies. And why would he trade Nabokov (who could possibly end up as the top fantasy goalie) for two goalies that could possibly end up in the AHL? He definitely did not "need" this trade either... it is a complete joke.
So actually, yes... one of you benefited a great deal more from this trade than the other. You are getting the two best players and gave up players that are easily replaceable (for free) and get the goalie on the leagues best team, that is only ranked 9th because of injury for two goalies that could very well not start 75% of the remaining games.
thats like other nhl teams complaining because some team got a good deal, instead of whini...
thats like other nhl teams complaining because some team got a good deal, instead of whining about it, try to make a few good trades for yourself, the whole point of a trade is to better your own team at the expense of another. why are the leafs so bad?bad gm. why are other teams so good?good gm, thats the whole point of fantasy, to be a good gm.
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I'd say that is a good point, except the guy that got the bad side of this trade simpl...
I'd say that is a good point, except the guy that got the bad side of this trade simply stopped setting his lineup two weeks ago and has essentially given up on the league...
This trade stinks of someone clicking "Accept" simply because he doesn't care anymore.... which wouldn't really happen in the real NHL.