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are you a member of NN. we have one that is members only. We post it in our group to keep it free from too much trouble. Also ducky's car wash is a great elimination league I gambled on last year, and got lucky, well sorta, it is a fun group, but I wasn't so lucky with my picks last year. LOL. Both of those are really tough competition. we will have our 3rd annual chase league for NN at the end of the season too. Kartracer won lastyear so he will be setting the rules for play this year in it. I still can't believe we all got beat by a kid. LOL. he a smart kid though.