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Lose this joke of a car they call the COT. It became quite obvious to me they have dug themselfs a grave with this stupid car.
EXAMPLE: Jr couldn't hardly keep his car straight all race. He goes out of sequence and suddenly his car is top of the charts. Then as soon as he gets back in traffic his car shows up again as the POS it was. This car is a joke and most of the races run with it are, get out front and no one will catch you. This car in this economy is going to cause everyone else to watch real racing. If that means everyone will start watching nationwide that is there only hope. Many will see this as just a rant. But I have been watching for some time and I am sick of all the bad racing going on. week after week the same thing. I long for the days where cars were going neck and neck lap after lap.
SOLUTION: Lose the Cot car in 10. when I say lose I mean lets put this back in the manufactures hands on body. No impala No fusion and No Charger. The charger is the only real race car in that pack. Impala at one time was but now they are all family cars. so ditch all those bodies in 10.
Race the Camaro, Mustang, Challenger, and Celica or whatever race body Toyota still makes. lets make it about the performance end of manufacturing not about the family cars. We all know that if you put the best of what they race (Charger, Fusion, Impala & Camary), Dodge would kill them all and with out any competition (425hp SRT8 rear wheel drive). On the track Dodge can't hardly get any T.V. time, but a never was like Jr still gets all kinds of TV time.
Race what people buy for performance and give the manufactures some reason to be in this sport. The Camaro and the Mustang both resemble the Challenger. All of them have packages that will perform so why do we use family cars that don't even resemble the vehicles we can buy.
This is the easiest out I have for Nascar to back peddle out of this POS COT. Many will just see this as a rant but it is my belief that a move of this nature is needed to save the not only the sport but think of the sales for manufacturing. Imagine the sales of the New Camaro if it won the 500 next year. I'm tired of seeing the real race cars of the manufactures being nothing more then a pace car. What and insult to manufactures. I just thought this board needed a good topic to get thing all wound up out here. so have it guys and girls post your thoughts. I think most of you will agree with me.
You give the japanese manufacturers the opportunity to design whatever car they want howev...
You give the japanese manufacturers the opportunity to design whatever car they want however designed with only performance(HP) and weight stipulations and these wealthy asians are gonna make a car that destroys the American cars just to make a point........with all the money the automakers don't have right now thats exactly what they need........to have to spend millions more dollars designing a car to try and keep up with toyota..........here's an idea............
make everyone drive a toyota and let the american automakers spend their time and their money coming up with a car that the average american on a budget would be proud of driving because other then the focus, the charger and the cobalt, american cars suck and only one of those can even be considered a family car. Toyota is running a majority on the front pack every week so they've obviously figured out something the others havent..........
I know me saying they should drive a japanese car in Nascar is like one of you telling me they should take everyone in the PGA and say that they are representing the countries there ancestors came from instead of America, but it's not that I'm not a patriot, I'm just a realist and if you wanna make racing exciting again........give everyone the same fuckin car and let driving be the decider
or hell, atleast do a points battle between manufacturers next year and allow whichever one of the big three that wins the most work with toyota to develop a singular car for the whole field.
everyone knows chevy would win that so atleast ford and dodge can go back to what they were made for............take off speed and funnel their money into saving another sport..............drag racing
wow I just made racing exciting again and saved drag racing at the same time
some things are more important than nascar or sports in general......not many but some things and manufacturers spending money and hiring people for that kind of development is exactly what they don't need to be wasting bailout money on
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@ PIR only 2 of the top 10 were yotas 1 chevy 2 chevy 3 dodge 4 chevy 5 ford Overall only...
@ PIR only 2 of the top 10 were yotas
Overall only 2 of the top 10 are yotas
Did toyota put you on the payroll this weekend?
it is not that Toyota built a more powerful engine it is they didn't let the big three...
it is not that Toyota built a more powerful engine it is they didn't let the big three bring out their best. have you noticed that the new engines are a lot stronger then last year. when NASCAR didn't allow dodge or chevy to bring out their new power plants. and to say that toyota has the better motor I dare Toyota to go one on one against a hemi. The Hemi is the Motor that dominated this sport for many years. How do you think the king became the king. So don't think Toyota is as good as they look in Nascar. They brought in a lot of money so they got an unfair advantage by Nascar not allowing the others to bring in the real power. Now that Chevy has their new plant in place Hendricks looks unstoppable and Dodge has allowed Kurt Busch to look like he did when with Roush. So you can spout of that toyota is more advanced but I'll tell you that Buick beat Lexus and Honda for quality and durability. So why so negative on the big three. you claim to love being american. then know that Buick (GM) is better then Toyota (Lexus) before you start saying that they are better.
NASCAR will never do this, but what if some other sanctioning body, a competitor of NASCAR...
NASCAR will never do this, but what if some other sanctioning body, a competitor of NASCAR, would be born from this idea.......that may be kinda interesting.....running the manufacturers performance cars damn near straight off the showroom floor like the old days
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Why is nascar the only stock car racing organization in the US. Is it because they have a ...
Why is nascar the only stock car racing organization in the US. Is it because they have a trademark on the name? There are other series in the world, ie britian and australia that have stock car series...
I would like to see some form of IROC series return where the holdens race the jags and the dodge/chevy/fords. All V8's racing all out, that would be cool...continent vs. continent, make vs. make, and driver vs. driver...
I think your example is off. Jr was off because Tony Jr made poor adjustments on the car....
I think your example is off. Jr was off because Tony Jr made poor adjustments on the car. On the last stop- Tony supposedly took the spring rubber out again and thats why he went back to having handling issues. At PIR and all short tracks track position really doesn't cause problems like it does at the big tracks.
And your solution is way off too. No one wants to pay to see Kyle Busch in a celica like their daughter drives. LOL
Admittedly- there is handling issues due to poor aerodynamics from track position on big tracks which causes some poor racing in instances. So whats the real solution?
The solution is tweak the COT. How do you tweak it? You allow more testing with Goodyear to bring in a new tire. The Las Vegas race showed the potential of what a new tire can do and the racing was great. They were setting new records at Vegas. With the right tire the COT's handling issues would be solved.
However, numbers wise the racing is closer than ever and NASCAR is still selling out races in the worst economy in 80 years. Thank god NASCAR doesn't allow fans like the people on this thread to make decisions.
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daniel you are wise on lots but please stop bloviating about sell outs. when was the last ...
daniel you are wise on lots but please stop bloviating about sell outs. when was the last time they had a sell out. you watch the stands will be getting thinner and thinner. this car is a joke and it is making a joke out of racing. They need to change the name because they are far from stock car automobile racing anymore. only the charger fits in this class it is the only car on the track that even remotely is like what they race.
Tell me you wouldn't love to see the mustang and camaro and challenger all on thet track beating and banging. Then once again they would sell out races. they were giving away tickets to atlanta to try and get people in. when was the last time you seen them pan across the audience. they don't dare show all those empty seats.
I agree, they need to tweak the car to the tire ..The talk about changing the tire to 17&q...
I agree, they need to tweak the car to the tire ..The talk about changing the tire to 17" is crazy IMO.They would then have to change so much about the car for the tire to fit..I say make this work before changing the car..
Here is a stat for ya
Most Passes During Green Flag Conditions: Sam Hornish Jr. - 91
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