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  • Toyotas? I remember when this used to be America...

    Xtreme ® by Xtreme ® . Feb 27, 2008 3:11 AM . Permalink

    Now the fat cats in Japan have aquired property in America so they can more easily siphon mega billions of profits out of our economy by pretending this is an American Car.
    To futher add insult, they have been welcomed into The Great American Sport by money grubbers and or morons who have lost their patriotism... It's like a politically corect Pearl Harbor. Corporate Terrorism, even.
    And all the while these Japanese businessmen, some of whom have been quoted as saying "Americans are stupid"... are laughing at us. I bet they even named their economy crushing car after an acronym:
    T urds
    O n
    Y our
    O wn
    T racks,
    A mercans.

    Perhaps they're right. Looking at how it's worked out... perhaps we have become stupid. The conquered nation is conquering the conquerer.
    -X

    • Re: Toyotas? I remember when this used to be America...

      Burrows by Burrows . Feb 29, 2008 10:57 AM . Permalink

      Ford Philosophy A Japanese company ( Toyota) and an American company (Ford) decided to...

      Ford Philosophy



      A Japanese company ( Toyota) and an American company (Ford) decided to have a canoe race on the Missouri River . Both teams practiced long and hard to reach their peak performance before the race. On the big day, the Japanese won by a mile.

      The Americans, very discouraged and depressed, decided to investigate the reason for the crushing defeat. A management team made up of senior management was formed to investigate and recommend appropriate action. Their conclusion was the Japanese had 8 people rowing and 1 person steering, while the American team had 8 people steering and 1 person rowing.

      Feeling a deeper study was in order, American management hired a consulting company and paid them a large amount of money for a second opinion. They advised, of course, that too many people were steering the boat, while not enough people were rowing.

      Not sure of how to utilize that information, but wanting to prevent another loss to the Japanese, the rowing team's management structure was totally reorganized to 4 steering supervisors, 3 area steering superintendents and 1 assistant superintendent steering manager. They also implemented a new performance system that would give the 1 person rowing the boat greater incentive to work harder. It was called the 'Rowing Team Quality First Program,' with meetings, dinners and free pens for the rower. There was discussion of getting new paddles, canoes and other equipment, extra vacation days for practices and bonuses. The next year the Japanese won by two miles.

      Humiliated, the American management laid off the rower for poor performance, halted development of a new canoe, sold the paddles, and canceled all capital investments for new equipment. The money saved was distributed to the Senior Executives as bonuses and the next year's racing team was out-sourced to India. Sadly - end of story.

      Now for some facts & figures: Ford has spent the last thirty years moving all its factories out of the US , claiming they can't make money paying American wages. TOYOTA has spent the last thirty years building more than a dozen plants inside the US. The last quarter's results: TOYOTA makes 4 billion in profits while Ford racked up 9 billion in losses.

      Ford folks are still scratching their heads.

      IF THIS WEREN'T SO TRUE IT MIGHT BE FUNNY

    • Re: Toyotas? I remember when this used to be America...

      ZG1 by ZG1 . Feb 27, 2008 7:42 AM . Permalink

      Not to burst your righteous bubble, but Toyota has been a part of Nascar since 2004- in th...

      Not to burst your righteous bubble, but Toyota has been a part of Nascar since 2004- in the Craftsman Truck Series. This is nothing new. If you want to get into a conversation about international politics and this and that about the purity of 'American Pie'....well the truth is that our economy is driven on international affairs, which includes foreign money.

      You take an organization like Joe Gibbs Racing and say "here make these better" At the end of the day- who cares where the money comes from.

      If it makes you feel any better, the cars are manufactured in the Georgetown, Kentucky plant.

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      • Re: Toyotas? I remember when this used to be America...

        pat t by pat t . Feb 27, 2008 1:53 PM . Permalink

        Ok, now, ZG1, You got my "dander" up. Fasten Your Toyata's seat belt, we ar...

        Ok, now, ZG1, You got my "dander" up. Fasten Your Toyata's seat belt, we are goin to "have at it"...First, I am older and of the old school. I believe in "Made in America". I bought a Dodge Caravan in 1987. When I found out it was made in Canada with a Mitsubishi motor, I tried to return it. I have never bought a foreign made auto. (except when I was In Germany with the U.S. Army, I bought a 1955 Volkswagon). Anyway, I got rid of it the next year, and have bought Ford or GM since. (Chrysler is another matter). I am aware that Toyota has been involved With NASCAR for some time, but this is the first year I have played Racing on Yahoo, and a forum to speak. Speaking of Int. Politics, this country used to "SET" international affairs. In the last 25 or 30 years, we have lost... Our Kids and Grandkids are going to be in Deep S---in 15 or 20 years...As far as the Toyota being manufactured in Ky. Take this for instance. A Toyata, (or any other foreign car manufactured in the U.S.). Sells for $1.000 and costs Say $500.00 to produce, ( Including among other things Material, labor, plant, utilities,taxes, etc.) and other costs involved, ( Ie: Advertising Sales, Comissions, Bribes, etc.) are $300. So the Profit is $200... Where does that profit go? Not into the American Economy... But to Japan. Besides The Foreign plants in this country have subplanted how many American Manufacturers plants, (Probbably with 1/2 to 2/3 of the wages paid to the workers...Oh, by the way, a majority of the steel used in out autos today, ( domestic and foreign) is Made in China, along with most of the goods we are able to purchase...I eagerly await your reply!!!!!!

      • Re: Toyotas? I remember when this used to be America...

        pat t by pat t . Feb 27, 2008 2:10 PM . Permalink

        A couple of other things while my "dander" is still up... I went out a couple of...

        A couple of other things while my "dander" is still up... I went out a couple of years ago to buy a new suit, I wanted American made as usual, but could only find clothes made in Bangladesh, China, Phillipines, or some other seaport...What about shoes? even under shorts...Has anyone made a Toll Free phone call lately? I made 2 last week, (to domestic companys), One was answered by an operator in India, and the other in Manila. Now I had two aunts who retired from the telephone Co. both with 35/40 years. They are both turning over in their graves...Any replies????????

      • Re: Toyotas? I remember when this used to be America...

        Freedom-1st by Freedom-1st . Feb 27, 2008 8:23 PM . Permalink

        2004 is not at all a long time unless your Five. When someone says "I remember When&q...

        2004 is not at all a long time unless your Five. When someone says "I remember When" it generally refers to a time span greater than four years, unless like I said your very young yourself. Ummm yeah I remember when umm four years ago Totota came into the Craftsman Truck Series. Yeah that's not at all an "I remember when".

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      Crazy by Crazy . Feb 28, 2008 5:45 PM . Permalink

      At least Toyota is employing americans. Where the big three is employing sweat shop labors...

      At least Toyota is employing americans. Where the big three is employing sweat shop labors and pocketing the profits!

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      • Re: Toyotas? I remember when this used to be America...

        Xtreme ® by Xtreme ® . Feb 29, 2008 3:48 AM . Permalink

        You know Z... while I think that is partially due to a kneejerk reaction of self-preservat...

        You know Z... while I think that is partially due to a kneejerk reaction of self-preservation on the part of American car manufacturers when they lost so many billions in revenues... I must admit that your point is quite valid. I think you are absolutely right that that was not the 'American' way to handle it.
        Technically, there are no American cars at all anymore. Everyone has sold out. I guess the only reason I continue to buy the 'so-called' American cars is on the principle of the thing, as a patriot... and because at least at the highest level, the profits are filtering back into the American economy.
        -X

    • Re: Toyotas? I remember when this used to be America...

      Xtreme ® by Xtreme ® . Feb 27, 2008 4:18 AM . Permalink

      Elle? You poor thing. You really don't get it, do you? Pointless as it may seem, all o...

      Elle? You poor thing. You really don't get it, do you? Pointless as it may seem, all of our cars are American.

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      • Re: Toyotas? I remember when this used to be America...

        by A Yahoo! User . Mar 1, 2008 4:51 PM . Permalink

        when i read that and scrolled through all the posts about it i laughed my ass off,but to ...

        when i read that and scrolled through all the posts about it i laughed my ass off,but to your post ,i agree 100% those squinted eye sonsof bitches should get the heck out of here and go home,but guess what,no matter whats said,there going to race in nascar,and thats ,that,it sucks SUCKS<AND very SUCKS

    • Re: Toyotas? I remember when this used to be America..

      jek by jek . Feb 29, 2008 12:55 PM . Permalink

      this is not about a car people it is about the fact that this american sport was started b...

      this is not about a car people it is about the fact that this american sport was started by men running moonshine on old counrty roads during the week and then racing that same car on Saturday night. Do you all remember what happened when Toyotas came into open wheel racing the sport went down hill they have all the money and end up driving the one car owners out and that will happen here I hope not B/C I like the woodbrothers and other small owners and I live in a town where the make toyotas at and the are always changing the name of things with all there money it is just wrong.

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      • Re: Toyotas? I remember when this used to be America..

        Xtreme ® by Xtreme ® . Mar 1, 2008 1:46 AM . Permalink

        Right On Jek. American Heritage. It's still worth something to some of us.

        Right On Jek. American Heritage. It's still worth something to some of us.

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        Frank by Frank . Feb 29, 2008 2:05 PM . Permalink

        I have read all the Toyota blogs and the one thing that wasn't mentioned was that the ...

        I have read all the Toyota blogs and the one thing that wasn't mentioned was that the cars being raced are not Chevy, Ford, Dodge and Toyota. They are COT. They are not for sale to the public and only to the Drivers of NASCAR. The engines and drivers are the only thing differant. IF NASCAR keeps making all the changes soon this sport will be like the old slot car tracks some of us used to PLAY at. This is Big Money at its best and we the viewers are paying for the pleasure to enjoy it. This is not the old racing days and it will never go back so sit back pick your drivers and enjoy the ROT (race of today) with the COT (car of today)

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