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I posted 2 days ago about a trade I proposed in my league and was accepted...it was the following
I get... Roy Halladay, Bradon Phillips, Adam Dunn, & Kevin Gregg
He gets.... Edison Volquez, Aubrey Huff, Milton Bradley & Hudson Street
AND IT GOT VETOED BY THE COMMISH AND HE SAID IT WAS TOO LOPSIDED!!! I DONT SEE HOW IT WAS LOPSIDED AND I THINK HE IS BIASED BECAUSE NOT 1 TRADE HAS BEEN DONE ALL SEASON IN THE LEAGUE (sorry for the caps) so I offered and got accepted on this new trade with the same kid....
I get....Roy Halladay, Brandon Phillips, Adam Dunn, & Kevin Gregg
He gets.... Edison Volquez, Aubrey Huff, Milton Bradley, Huston Street & BRANDON LYON
do you think it will be vetoed again????
Roy Halladay >> Edison Volquez (Halladay is worth a LOT more)
B. Phillips > Huff, PHillips is almost as good everywhere and has 20 more SB.
A. Dunn > Bradley, Bradley has been injured a lot, how many games will he actually play?
Kevn Gregg > Huston Street, I mean just look at the stats, Huston is no longer the closer in Oakland as they will be closing by committee.
Do you still ask if the trade is fair? You gotta be kidding me...
It should not be vetoed, too many commishes get carried away with power trips. Usually someone gets the better of every trade, but diff teams have diff needs, get in a diff league next year or throw the commish.
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You say that the other person is basically giving up and throwing away 3 big players well i disagree and here is why.... after losing Adam Dunn & Brandon Phillips he still has... Ryan Howard, David Wright, Brian Roberts, JJ Hardy, Grady Sizemore, Carlos Delgado, Jim Thome, AJ Pierzynski, Bengie Molina, Ken Griffy Jr., John Lackey, Oliver Perez, Pedro Martinez, Aaron Cook, & Derek Lowe. and will have Milton Bradley and Aubrey Huff. So he will have 9 players with over 100 hits, 5 players with 20 or more HRs (Bradley has 19), & 8 players with over 60 RBIs. Please tell me what Dunn is good at besides HRs and RBIs? because a batting average of .238 isnt cutting it!! Last month Phillips is batting .194!! Halladay and volquez have about equal numbers I dont care if volquez hasnt pitched well 2 out of his last 3 starts. His numbers are 13-5 141 k's and 2.93 ERA. While Halladay is 13-8 148 K's and 2.77 ERA.....7 K's more than volquez and volquez did it in less innings!! So I highly doubt that he is throwing in the towel and giving up!
i HATE HATE hate hate hate vetoing trades.. but this one almost has to be vetoed.. why? because I think there is some evidence of collusion. maybe not active collusion, but certainly passive collusion (ie the other manager is basically giving up). Its clear because its not just 1 big producer, or 2, but basically 3 big producers in exchange for 3 guys who are imploding. Its almost like the one guy was trying to get minimum passable value so that he could ruin his team while still avoiding a veto.
you shouldn't be proud that you orchestrated this trade. the other manager clearly isn't trying field a competetive team.
Do I think the trade is fair? No. Would I accept the trade he is offering? No.
However, I get tired of managers feeling like they have to protect other managers from themselves. The trade should only be voided if the Commish feels that there is collusion afoot. If I were commish, I would investigate and ask the person accepting that trade, how he thinks it is improving his team. If he gets a reasonable answer, he should let it go through. It is not that blatent to be clearly a dump trade. Many people can look at any trade and have an opinion on who is getting the better deal. That is evidenced here by many of the responses. While there are many that object to it, there are also several others that feel it is fair.
Lopsided- Street's a bum, Bradley's a high reward/risk guy who's looking riskier by the day, Huff's streaky and Volquez is unproven for the long haul.
Aside from Gregg( who's holding his own) your getting monsters in return for the bag of crap your sending to the other guy.
The problem is you're trading a bunch of one-year studs for a bunch of proven fantasy monsters. The only established player you're trading is Street, and he's been the worst closer this year in the AL in terms of Save%. It's not surprising to me that this trade got vetoed, though if it wasn't collusion, I'm not sure it was the right thing for your commish to do.
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