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  • Manager Cheating to control his playoffs (Is it, or isn't it???)

    by A Yahoo! User . Dec 6, 2011 2:46 PM . Permalink

    there is a manager(we'll call him senor cheater) in our ($)league who, in the final reg season week of playing, decided that he didnt want to play the playoff bracket which he played his best all year to get. He was 77-78 going into Monday night w/ 78pt manager done for the week. He orginally had Ryan Matthews and V. Jackson slotted to play. He realized that, with a loss, he would be able to play an easier matchup in the playoffs. so he sat R.M. and V.J. and played NO ONE. By doing this, senor cheater secured an easier playoff match-up and screwed another manager out of a playoff spot that would otherwise be his, had senor cheater just played his RB and WR slots.

    Note: If senor cheater played his players, he would have played the team w/ the most scoring points for the year.

    Senor Cheater feels as though he did nothing wrong and vehemently defends his decision to sit starting players to control his playoff matchups. Some managers and the commish take the same position as i do, others side w/ him.

    I have posted the discussion to let you, the Fantasy Football community, decide. Please write back w/ any comments. Some outside viewpoints would be appreciated. (Utah=Senor cheater)

    • Re: Manager Cheating to control his playoffs (Is it, or isn't it???)

      James by James . Dec 6, 2011 3:05 PM . Permalink

      VERY GOOD STRATEGY. maybe instead of whining on here you step your game up and put your se...

      VERY GOOD STRATEGY. maybe instead of whining on here you step your game up and put your self in position of "what to do here" and "best chance of winning it all". This is a smart manager and you show your lack of experience by this failed attempt at calling someone out!

    • Re: Manager Cheating to control his playoffs (Is it, or isn't it???)

      JoeL by JoeL . Dec 6, 2011 2:57 PM . Permalink

      I understand your concern but I would not call that cheating at all. I would call it worki...

      I understand your concern but I would not call that cheating at all. I would call it working withing the parameters of the rules. If a team manager wants to lose a game that should be his/her prerogative. They are in control of their team and should be able to do whatever they want within the rules. I know it sucks but he's doing the best thing for him and his team to succeed and in that situation I would personally do the same.

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      • Re: Manager Cheating to control his playoffs (Is it, or isn't it???)

        bbb by bbb . Dec 6, 2011 3:05 PM . Permalink

        I agree with Jabronie 100%. It was NOT cheating. There is no rule that he is breaking. He ...

        I agree with Jabronie 100%. It was NOT cheating. There is no rule that he is breaking. He is helping himself get a better spot. Anyone with that opportunity should have taken it.

        I'm not sure if this was addressed in the chat... but I also don't believe that this leads to dropping players for other teams to pick-up. This example is unethical. It helps other teams win with no benefit to the original owner. This is constantly addressed by yahoo.

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        Corey by Corey . Dec 6, 2011 5:09 PM . Permalink

        This is definitely unethical and can/is considered cheating in many real life sporting eve...

        This is definitely unethical and can/is considered cheating in many real life sporting events not to mention illegal when it involves money. As to the arguments that NFL teams do it every year, you are right. NFL teams often mask it as resting their starters for the playoffs, but on several occasions where attempting to fix the playoffs was obvious, there has been outrage over the ordeal. In these situations the team got away with it because they did start players and these players did play to atleast an acceptable level.

        If you want a list of real life events involving throwing games, look up match fixing on wikipedia. Players have been suspended, fined, expelled from the league, or in some extreme cases served jail time for throwing games.

      • Re: Manager Cheating to control his playoffs (Is it, or isn't it???)

        Justin by Justin . Dec 6, 2011 5:15 PM . Permalink

        I almost did the same thing to avoid playing AR in the first round but didn't and am k...

        I almost did the same thing to avoid playing AR in the first round but didn't and am kicking myself now. That's one strategy that is not cheating imo!!!

    • Re: Manager Cheating to control his playoffs (Is it, or isn't it???)

      King Green by King Green . Dec 6, 2011 3:33 PM . Permalink

      I am proud of "Senor Cheater" I did the exact same thing . I tank to avoid the o...

      I am proud of "Senor Cheater" I did the exact same thing . I tank to avoid the only person in the league who has beaten me twice and to avoid the person with a bye who has Antonio Brown and Tony Romo (My QB is Big Ben and WR is Dez and Laurent Robinsonm are my wr) Why would I win my divison title if that was my reward. if you guys was play for fun, it would be dirty pool but since your leauge is for cash (just like mine is) then grow up. You can't tell another man how to run his team that is insane!!!

    • Re: Manager Cheating to control his playoffs (Is it, or isn't it???)

      by A Yahoo! User . Dec 6, 2011 2:51 PM . Permalink

      Disscussion: (UTAH GIVE ME 3) 1 day ago Apparently I cant manage my team how I would like ...

      Disscussion:
      (UTAH GIVE ME 3)
      1 day ago
      Apparently I cant manage my team how I would like to. People are crying over a smart decsion by myself to position myself with a better playoff match up. ANY NFL team would do the same to get a better favorable matchup. I can tell you I made this decision by myself and had no input from other managers. I have the text messages to prove this. Why would i want to play the highest scoring team all year long if I didnt have to. Deal with it. If you want me out of the league for managing my team so be it. There was no malicious intent towards anyone or scheming against anyone. This was my decsion to bench players for a better matchup so I have a better chance at winning in the playoffs. If you dont like it you should have won and your playoff chances wouldnt be in my hands.

      (GRENADES)
      1 day ago
      It will be dealt with next season, because if someone did that to your crew you would cry and I would deal with 100phone calls that day...so it will all be takin care of next season with a vote. Good luck I hope you win it all!

      (IT THAT & WHORES)
      1 day ago
      NFL teams would do the same but they still play the game..i ve never seen a team line up without any QB or any running back at all, it might be there back up players but they still play their players...shady

      (UTAH GIVE ME 3)
      1 day ago

      Nothing needs to be changed for next year. You cant tell someone that pays money to be in the league how to set there lineup and manage there team. This is part of how fantasy football works. I feel bad it has come down to me deciding the outcome of playoff match ups but as a team owner everyone has this choice if presented. Yes it sucks and I would be upset but at the end of the day I as an owner didnt do good enough to make it on my own watch so it is on me not anyone else.

      (UTAH GIVE ME 3)
      1 day ago
      Exactly my point IT THAT.....Grennbay isnt going to play there starters and try to win to play the saints they would rather bench there starters and play the Rams. LOl

      danielm (UTAH GIVE ME 3)
      1 day ago
      There is nothing shady about what I did. I would rather not play Lovie when he has Tom Brady and wes welker going against the dead skins. I'd much rather play sanchez and david nelson. Wouldn't you?

      (IT THAT & WHORES)
      1 day ago
      I understand what you saying, i just think it starts a bad trend...people could start doin a lot of other things with their teams as well...dropping players for others to pick up....people that clinch early could help others get in by sitting guys....if all the playoff spots were already determined and you were just jockeying for position i think i would agree with you...but what your doin affects other teams getting in or out....all in all i dont really care that much cuz im in!!!!!

      (UTAH GIVE ME 3)
      1 day ago
      See but all what you said is SHADY play. Dropping players for other people is shady. Sitting players to make your buddy get in the playoffs is shady also. I never asked anyone to sit anyone or drop anyone to help me. That is shady and should not be tolerated in any league. But I have a choice on who I play in the first round by taking a loss. I didn't ask for this but I am making the best decision as a manager to better my chances at winning in the first round and making some more money and ultimately trying to win a championship. If the #7 and the #8 seed win this week instead of losing this wouldn't even be a discussion. ANY GOOD MANAGER WOULD DO THE SAME!!!!!!!

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      • Re: Manager Cheating to control his playoffs (Is it, or isn't it???)

        Dan by Dan . Dec 6, 2011 4:57 PM . Permalink

        its not cheating---its actually smart for him to set himself up for an easier matchup----s...

        its not cheating---its actually smart for him to set himself up for an easier matchup----sucks that someone missed out on a playoff spot becaus of it but thats life.

        stop crying about it and just beat him in the playoffs and it wont matter

      • Re: Manager Cheating to control his playoffs (Is it, or isn't it???)

        Brock by Brock . Dec 6, 2011 6:10 PM . Permalink

        i see nothing wrong with this. it's a smart move, just like NFL teams benching their Q...

        i see nothing wrong with this. it's a smart move, just like NFL teams benching their QB's to rest them for the post-season. you can't force someone to play players if they don't want to. it's a strategy to improve your chances, just like picking up players on the waiver wire is a strategy to improve chances. dont get mad cuz he paid attention to the details

      • Re: Manager Cheating to control his playoffs (Is it, or isn't it???)

        by A Yahoo! User . Dec 6, 2011 3:01 PM . Permalink

        (u've been teabagged!) 21 hours ago What you are doing, is CHEATING. You are purposely...

        (u've been teabagged!)
        21 hours ago
        What you are doing, is CHEATING. You are purposely removing projected, and earned player points (in the middle of weeks' play) to gain an UN-fair advantage in the playoffs. The Fantasy Football point system is in place for a reason. That reason being, PLAY TO WIN. Not play to win, then sandbag the last regular season game to make your playoff match-up's easier. That's not management, its Bill Beilchick spying on the fucking Jets w/ Google Earth!! Just because it's not in the rule book yet, doesn't mean it's not CHEATING. You EARNED the playoff match-up that you would get according to your record(providing you would win tonight, which you would). You aren't supposed to want to play your opponents in the playoffs! That would be ridiculous! It would be one thing if, in all your infinite wisdom, you saw this coming last week and didn't play your best players and just put some bullshit ones in instead. But you aren't playing anyone at all! What you are doing there IS SHADY PLAY! If this only effected you alone it would be one thing. But, it doesn't, it effects other managers who earned there way to the playoffs by playing correctly(filling ALL roster positions w/ players) all year. I'm sorry, but I would rather play w/ 15 other idiots who take DEF's in rounds' 4 and 6, then play with the knowledge that you, or anyone else in this league, would try to "unintentionally" fuck someone else's playoff hopes, for their own personal gain.

        BTW, No team in the "NFL" would show up to a game and say "We want to play, but we're not going to play our RB and WR positions, AT ALL!" They would be either disqualified from the days' game, or forced to forfeit. Food for thought.

        (UTAH GIVE ME 3)
        20 hours ago
        Blah blah blah......is that shit coming out of your mouth? I have locked in my playoff spot already and if the teams that had this last spot up for grabs would have WON and not lost this wouldn't be an issue. This happens in the NFL all the time. Yeah they play with backups so they lose but it is no different. I cant manage my team and everyone else in the league. There are people in the league that didn't start people in place of people on bye weeks or even people that didn't play and weren't supposed to play. If i go and pick up 2 bums that don't even see the field and insert them into my line up it will still be the same outcome.

        I don't see how this is cheating at all. Actually its not cheating that's probably why I don't see it. Oh and this all is coming from someone who has played what 2 yrs of fantasy football. I have been playing for 10+ years and this is not the first time I have seen this. The name of the game is to win a championship and manage your team to do so. If that means sitting 2 players to have a better playoff match up I and everyone in my position has a right to manage there team accordingly. Just like the NFL teams starting 2nd and 3rd stringers to lose games. Look back to just last year and your shitty LOL packers. There playoff hopes were in the hands of another team that didn't start there starters. GB gets in because they lose and GB wins. Same shit but the person that gets booted from the playoffs didn't win.

        (UTAH GIVE ME 3)
        20 hours ago
        Oh and I forgot to add that your trade was BS and it went through didnt it. A Concussed Sidney Rice that always has a headache for a top 8 Defense. So under your rules that was a fair trade and hurt player for a starting one. Also don't forget at that time your season was over already and you had no playoff chances. Its called Karma.....and it might end up to bite me in the ass to.

    • Re: Manager Cheating to control his playoffs (Is it, or isn't it???)

      Ron by Ron . Dec 6, 2011 5:30 PM . Permalink

      That is just wrong....If I was the commishioner of that league I would lock in his roster ...

      That is just wrong....If I was the commishioner of that league I would lock in his roster with those 2 spots left open and let him play his playoff game with 2 less players. Then tell him not to even bother asking to play in that league next season

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        G by G . Dec 6, 2011 5:54 PM . Permalink

        Really? You would "lock his roster"? Wow, what gives you the right to have a s...

        Really? You would "lock his roster"? Wow, what gives you the right to have a say in his roster? Now THAT IS CHEATING! And I doubt that he would care to play in your league next season anyway. Jeesh,,,,,,,,

      • Re: Manager Cheating to control his playoffs (Is it, or isn't it???)

        bobo by bobo . Dec 7, 2011 12:01 PM . Permalink

        This is not cheating..............do what u can to make your road to the money easier!!! ...

        This is not cheating..............do what u can to make your road to the money easier!!! there is no rule their is no foul!!!!!!!!

        bottom line

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