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A guy in my work pool was unable to draft his team and autopick selected about 5 RP for him.
Instead of trying to trade 1 or 2 of them, he simply dropped them and added SP instead.
I had the last pick in the draft, therefore I now have the 1st spot in waiver priority.
Currently my RPs are Health Bell and Joe Nathan. Would you drop one of them in order to pick up John Axford??
I expect big things from both Bell in Miami and Nathan in Texas, but Axford is rated as the third best RP by Yahoo.
All closers are the same. A closer is only valued by his JOB SECURITY.
If you drop one closer and add another closer you still only have two closers. What does it matter? I could see you asking this question if you are going to up your total closers to three closers but if you are dropping one for another...it doesn't fucking matter. Do you think one of them is going to suddenly get 95 saves in a season?
- 2 Replies to Dick Strong
Dick - this is not a question of passing on a potential contributor on offense for a closer. It is a question of which closers to select.
Your comment that "it does not matter" is wrong. Yes, it matters, since closers who fan 10 per 9 IP, sub-2.00 ERA, and stand to get your team 40+ saves are much more valuable than guys wobbling towards 28 saves and with a 4.00 ERA and low K rates (I'm looking at you, Chris Perez).
Particularly in roto it matters. Two closers logging 80 saves, a combined 1.95 ERA and 0.95 WHIP, 165 K's vs. three mediocre guys giving 85 saves, 3.55 ERA, 1.25 WHIP and 200 K's ....
The first scenario gives me another roster spot. I don't need the third closer, for example. Meanwhile, the counting stats are solid. I can now add another SP'er or hitter with the extra roster spot due to the quality that the two closers give team.
So, yes, it matters.
Obviously I don't think any closer is going to suddenly get 95 saves in a season and all closers are not the same.
Are you saying Craig Kimbrel is the same as Frank Francisco??
By your logic, it wouldn't be worth it to lose my #1 waiver priority to pick up Axford, while dropping Nathan.
However, your point about JOB SECURITY could be huge as Nathan is coming off a bad year and might not be the closer for the Rangers all season.
It's probably too late for me to try trading Nathan now anyways.
Axford is only on waivers until tomorrow, so unless the Commish approves any deal I make before then, I'd have to drop somebody else in order to claim Axford.
- 1 Reply to Bernard S
I know he is an upgrade on Nathan (probably Bell as well) but there is only one RP spot in our pool and I noticed about half of the managers have choosen to go with only one RP.
Look at Nathan's career stats with the Twins:
2004 - 44 saves
2005 - 43 saves
2006 - 36 saves
2007 - 37 saves
2008 - 39 saves
2009 - 47 saves
Compare that to Axford's careers stats with the Brewers:
2009 - 1
2010 - 27
2011 - 48
I know Axford's 48 saves last season is more than Nathan ever had (although only by 1) but the Rangers should have a good team this year, which means Nathan should get back on track, while I believe the Brewers have taken a step back and Axford's numbers will reflect that.
- 2 Replies to Scott
What do you mean you don't understand why I have to ask this question?
I want to know if he is a big of an upgrade over Nathan (as I'd be holding onto Bell) to warrant using the #1 waiver pick?
There are some rookie players in this pool, so the #1 waiver pick could be very valuable down the road.
If I don't make a waiver claim on him, do you think he'll be claimed by somebody else?