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  • Ogie Ogie Sep 21, 2011 2:25 PM Flag

    Cheating or Strategy?

    I am in a keeper league where final standings determine both how many keepers you get and where you draft in the order (non-snaking draft). I am currently in 5th not a chance at all in moving up but if I can drop down to 7th I get an extra keeper plus #1 draft spot. Is it cheating or plain strategy to bench my entire team to lose a few points to try and drop down? Just wanted people's thoughts on this matter!

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    • You are a low-life rotten no good bum and a cheater swindler and a thief. you should have your balls cut off as punishment.

    • It's just short of cheating. I would play with integrity and try to finish as high as possible.

    • I was guarunteed the #2 seed no matter what, so I benched my team in the final game of the regular season to keep the 6th place team out of the playoffs. The team that beat me 12-0 jumped from 7th to 6th, knocking the 6th place team out of the playoffs. The 6th place manager was an asshole and deserved it.

      Wait, what was the question?

    • Imo it is cheating. You are in a keeper league that you are suppose to be active and tanking like that would not be a good move.

    • In my opinion it is cheating. I presume you are in a roto format. If so, the comparisons by some posters here that mention what they do in a H2H league are useless. A H2H game that does not involve a contender does not affect a contender. However, in a roto league even the last place team can affect a contender's status.

      The problem actually is in the rules. The two rules mentioned do not solve problems. One actually creates them.

      Giving the #1 pick to the middle team was to, I presume, prevent last place teams from tanking. Obviously that just means other teams might try to tank.

      By giving the lower teams more keepers this means that the teams that are not as good get to keep players (I presume these keepers use high round draft picks) that did not help them to win. The better teams can either redraft their good player or possible improve upon them.

      If the 7th place team that has an extra keeper does not have a player worthy of keeping as a high pick then they lose draft value at that pick.

      Some leagues when making rules only think of the problem they are trying to solve without thinking of the problems the new rules creates or how teams can work around those rules. I call this the "Greeny Rule" after ESPN's Mike Greenberg.

      Mike will bring up changes that solve a specific problem but just cause others. He would love to give the first pick in the NBA to the best team that does not make the playoffs. He suggested this to stop teams from tanking. If you were the owner of a team would you rather get the 8th spot in the playoffs and get booted in the first round OR tank and get the best player in the draft possibly allowing your team to get a 2nd or 3rd seed next year.?

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      • So what if you are in a roto league? It's called spoiling. Non contending teams affect the destiny of contending teams in every sport every year. Watch the wild card games over the next week. It will happen.

        If you are playing by the rules established by your league you are not cheating. Period.

        The think the major point of keepers is to keep players that did better and will continue to do better than their draft position. More keepers is advantageous. It doesn't necessarily mean you will be suing up all of your high draft picks for them.

        I agree that this league's particular set of keeper and redraft rules are strange. I myself was wondering why the 7th place team gets 1st draft pick.

        I don't know what the big deal is regarding 1st pick anyway. More often than not I would prefer to have a mid level 1st round draft pick. There is a lot of talent available in the first round...I'm not sure getting the #1 pick makes anybody's team...

      • I get what ur Greeny rule in regards to nba but its case by case sensitive. There have been #8 seeds that legit thought they could win or were just high scoring offenses with no defense. These are professionals and if they didn't think there was even a small chance to win when they did what they played 82 games for by making the playoffs, then why r they playing the game? But o ya 100% agree h2h tanking with uncompetitive team is harmless and in rofl no way it should be allowed

    • Sure you look at it as strategy, but others may look at it as cheating and complain to the commissioner, which in turn may get you bounced from the league, your choice.

    • You should add Adam Dunn. I guess he is getting at bats again. Starting him would likely be worse than starting no one (particularly the K rate lol). If you really want to tank you should add him and some shit-bum pitchers (not that I am advocating that).

    • This shouldn't even be a question. As others have said you play to win. You can't win this year...start playing to win next year.

      I have played in head-to-head match ups where I could only lose points starting a pitcher or batter on the last day of the week (we have daily roster changes). So I sit them. I probably sit a SP on Sunday once every 3 weeks. Does that make me a cheater. It is exactly the same principle.

      Professional teams have done this in the past for draft picks...

      Besides you guys act like this is some kind of advantage. If the current 6th and 7th place teams pay any attention they would observe your roster move and then do the same thing if they so chose to. If they don't pay attention that is their own fault.

      I wouldn't even hesitate to do this.

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      • It's different when you sit someone to win a category. What he's suggesting is to sit everyone to lose on purpose. And you condone that? That's like picking up guys and dropping them so no one else can get them. You should read the rules regarding Fair Play... I've listed them below for you (Notice the use of the word Improve).

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        Why not do that after Week 1, or better yet, after the draft? Oh wait, that would kind of ruin the game, wouldn't it.

        Kind of hope he does that and then they randomize the draft instead.

    • I love Josh's answer.

    • Whether it is cheating or not, it IS a strategy either way, BUT...

      It's called tanking and is frowned upon, both in amateur and professional Leagues and Sports.

      Some consider it cheating.

      I know I wouldn't do it myself, but know of others who have. I don't play in Leagues with any of them anymore, because I play for the competition and I don't want to play against someone else who is trying to lose on purpose.

      Man up and just admit you had a team that just wasn't good enough and take your medicine.

      Tanking for #1 Draft position. Good Luck with that.

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