Foreman finally at peace with loss to Ali

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The reminder that yet another anniversary is here had George Foreman thinking that maybe it’s time to visit an old friend.

They once had their differences, once came to blows. Time, though, is a great healer.

“Maybe I should go and see him,” Foreman said. “He’s like a brother. We’re that close.”

They weren’t 35 years ago, on an early morning in Africa when all Foreman had in mind was dealing some serious hurt to Muhammad Ali. He had been in Zaire way too long as it was, and the big, brooding heavyweight champion was in no mood to take any nonsense from anybody.

That included Ali, whom Foreman saw as little more than his next knockout victim.

“I figured no one could stand up to me,” Foreman said during a recent telephone interview from his home in Houston. “I went out there to knock him out.”

Ali had other ideas. Ten years had passed since he shocked the world by winning the heavyweight title against Sonny Liston, and he knew a thing or two about beating a bully.

The great trainer Cus D’Amato had given him a piece of advice for the fight: Hit him as hard as you can with the first punch, Cus said, and let him know you’re there.

Others had tried it, others had failed. But none was Muhammad Ali.

In Foreman’s dressing room before the fight, the mood was as dark as the African night. This wasn’t going to last long, and the price Ali would pay would be dreadful.

“There’s death in the air,” a Foreman camp member kept shouting.

Back in Ali’s dressing room, the challenger wanted to know what they were saying just before they went to battle.

“They’re saying your kids will soon be in an orphanage,” Ali’s confidante, Gene Kilroy, told him.

“I can’t wait,” Ali thundered. “Let me at him. I’m going to teach George Foreman a lesson.”

We know it now as the Rumble in the Jungle, a fight so epic that it had to have a name just as memorable. Ali coined the name himself, but to boxing fans at the time it was just Foreman versus Ali for the heavyweight title.

It ended up in Zaire because the country’s brutal dictator, Mobutu Sese Seko, put up the $10 million purse to bring it there. It was, he said, his gift to the people for the “honor of the black man” and a way to put the former Belgian Congo on the world map.

Don King was just learning how to promote fights, and got this one mostly because he talked Foreman into signing for a $5 million share of the purse. King was also trying to make some money on the side, selling charter flights to Africa that included hotel rooms and tickets to the fight for $2,500.

He expected 5,000 people to fly from the United States, but then Ali began ranting about being in the jungle and having the natives boil reporters he didn’t like in pots. King was forced to lower the price to $1,500, prompting one scribe to ask whether the people who had already bought packages would get the lower rate.

“Well, we haven’t sold any,” King said.

The claims that 1 billion people would watch the fight from around the world would turn out to be wildly inflated, too. But the fight between the brutish Foreman and the man who called himself The Greatest was primed to be a major event.

How much of a fight it would be was debatable. Foreman had knocked out his last 24 opponents and spent barely more than 11 minutes in the ring in winning and defending the title twice. He was a 3-1 favorite in the Vegas sports books, and many feared he would seriously hurt Ali.

People were eager for a diversion, though, even from a fight so far away. Inflation was up, Watergate had just toppled a president, and the fight offered a temporary escape from the problems of the world.

Ali, as always, was eager to entertain.

“You think the world was shocked when Nixon resigned,” he said. “Wait till I whup George Foreman’s behind.”

Before Foreman reinvented himself as a lovable lug of a heavyweight, and long before he sold America millions of hamburger grills, he was an angry fighter. Taking his cues from Liston, he scowled at anyone who came close and scared other fighters before they even entered the ring.

Ali, he figured, would be no different.

At a boxing writers’ dinner in New York a few months before the fight, Foreman ripped Ali’s suit and the two had to be pulled apart. As he was escorted out by his handlers, Ali threw water glasses at him, and they smashed to pieces on the ground.

“Ali had no fear of him, no fear,” said Kilroy, who was Ali’s business manager and now is an executive at the Luxor casino in Las Vegas.

Maybe that was because Ali knew something. After the fight was signed he watched tapes of Foreman’s bouts, at one point telling Kilroy to run it back when he saw Foreman lumbering to a corner after knocking Joe Frazier down for the umpteenth time.

“Look! No stamina. No stamina,” Ali shouted.

He would later hint to reporters what would happen, though few believed him. Foreman, he said, would fall flat on his face after the 10th round, felled by sheer exhaustion.

Foreman didn’t pay attention to any of it. He knew he would knock Ali out early. He couldn’t wait to get the chance.

“I just had so much rage,” Foreman said. “It was just the fighter in me. I didn’t know any different.”

The fight was originally set for Sept. 25, 1974, but Foreman was cut in sparring soon after arriving in Zaire. He wanted to go home to heal, but Mobutu’s men weren’t about to let anyone leave before there was a fight.

The heavyweight championship would finally be decided on Oct. 30. The day before, Foreman and Ali made separate trips to the presidential palace to pay homage to the dictator. Ali hugged Mobutu and kissed him on both cheeks, startling the security guards who figured someone would pay for touching the president.

It was 4 a.m. in Zaire when the bell sounded for the first round and Ali came out and did just what D’Amato wanted him to do, landing a big right hand to open the fight. Foreman shook it off and quickly went to work himself, ripping powerful punches to Ali’s head and body.

The same shots had dropped Frazier six times, and stopped Ken Norton in the second round. Foreman was sure Ali would fall, and the time looked ripe in the third round when he landed a savage right hand to Ali’s neck.

“I hit him hard and he looked at me like he was going to fight back, then just covered up,” Foreman recalled. “He figured, ‘I’m not going to let this guy do this to me.’ After the bell he looked up and said ‘I made it, I made it.’ He realized that he had taken the best I had and gotten through it.”

Indeed, Ali had found his way to win. He laid on the ropes, covering up and letting Foreman punch him at will. The “rope-a-dope” may have been born out of desperation, but there was no question what it was doing to Foreman.

He began to tire, just as Ali had predicted. Then, with just seconds left in the eighth round, Ali landed a left hook that snapped Foreman’s head up, then followed it with a right that sent him staggering to the canvas.

The fight was over, but it could have been worse. As Foreman was going down, Ali had the perfect chance to hit him with another right hand, but didn’t.

“He started to do it, then put the gun back in the holster,” Foreman said. “He had mercy on me. Would I have done the same for him at that time? No.”

Foreman had barely gotten off the plane from Zaire when he held a press conference in Paris and called for an investigation of the fight. The ropes had been too loose, he said, the count too quick, the canvas too soft.

It had to be something because there was no way he could have lost, something he had trouble coming to grips with for years. In his 2007 book, “God In My Corner,” he claimed that someone had spiked his water to drug him into submission.

But he’s done making excuses. Ali, he now says, was simply smarter than he was that day.

“This man could think. He understood I would go out there to try and knock him out,” Foreman said. “But no one had ever knocked him out. Where in the world did I get it in my mind I could knock him out? That’s why I lost.”

Foreman would come back 20 years later to become the oldest man to win the heavyweight title at age 45, knocking out Michael Moorer in an upset almost as huge as the one Ali pulled off in Zaire. He couldn’t have imagined that, just as he could never have imagined becoming hugely rich as a popular pitchman.

“Thirty-five years ago I walked off that canvas thinking I was dead,” Foreman said. “Turns out I hadn’t even begun to live.”

Ali had said he was going to retire after the fight, and Kilroy pleaded with him to do it. But he liked the idea of being heavyweight champion once again, and soon there was an offer of another $5 million to defend against Joe Bugner in what would be little more than a glorified sparring session.

Ali is muted now, his once magnificent voice not heard publicly in years. He lives mostly in Arizona with his wife, Lonnie, and, though Parkinson’s Syndrome has taken a terrible toll on him, still travels frequently.

Foreman and Ali became friends over the years and until recently would talk on the phone. If there’s a rumor about Ali’s health, one of his daughters will call Foreman to reassure him that things are fine.

He hasn’t seen him in a few years, but thinks it could be time.

“He’s always coming to you, but he’s not getting around well these days,” Foreman said. “I guess I will have to go to him. This will probably push me out the door to find him.”

Foreman knows that he will always be defined by what happened in that faraway ring, but that’s OK now, too. He understands that maybe he was just a part of something with Ali that was much bigger than either of them could understand at the time.

Yes, he lost to Ali in the ring, but in the end he may have gained even more.

“I don’t call him the best boxer of all time,” Foreman said, “but he’s the greatest human being I ever met.”

Updated Oct 28, 1:59 pm EDT
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  1. Kendric A
    73. Posted by Kendric A Wed Nov 4 10:58am EST

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    I love sports talk like this. The sport known as "the sweet science" has many forgotten stars. Ali was great. But I am a Frazier fan. I think Ali really hurt Frazier with all his talk when then fought. I think that Foreman wanted to hurt Ali so bad when they fought, that he forgot how to fight/box. Don't get me wrong, Ali is and will always be great. I just not a fan of hurting people feels with alot of talk. Ali would have even greater had he not talk so much!!!
  2. Kendric A
    72. Posted by Kendric A Wed Nov 4 10:57am EST

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    I love sports talk like this. The sport known as "the sweet science" has many forgotten stars. Ali was great. But I am a Frazier fan. I think Ali really hurt Frazier with all his talk when then fought. I think that Foreman wanted to hurt Ali so bad when they fought, that he forgot how to fight/box. Don't get me wrong, Ali is and will always be great. I just not a fan of hurting people feels with alot of talk. Ali would have even greater had he not talk so much!!!
  3. Denwaaah
    71. Posted by Denwaaah Tue Nov 3 4:27pm EST

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    Just a reminder how great Ali was - Olympics 1960 Light Heavy Champ
    He then went on to fight -
    1964 Frazier Heavyweight
    1968 Foreman Heavyweight
    1976 Leon Spinks Light Heavy
    How many other champions, in any sport, have taken on so many olympic champions in different olympics.
    No doubt the greatest heavyweight champion of all time, he changed the face of boxing and professional sports.
  4. Roberto E
    70. Posted by Roberto E Tue Nov 3 3:33pm EST

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    Skeets ur 100% right. Ali of 1965-67 whips Tyson or any heavyweight that ever lived. Tyson not in top 5. Ali no 1.
  5. Skeets
    69. Posted by Skeets Tue Nov 3 2:51pm EST

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    Firstly, let us dispel the notion that Tyson could have beaten Ali in his prime. Sure, the 80's Ali gets knocked out by Tyson, but the 60's Ali gives Tyson a boxing lesson. As proof, take a look at the Tyson-Pinklon Thomas fight. In the middle rounds, Thomas boxes Tyson, and Tyson has no counter. Thomas wins all those middle rounds on the judges cards because Tyson can;t get through the jab. Now, if Thomas can do that to Tyson, who everyone will agree was not in the same class as any one the great heavyweights, imagine what Ali would have done. No one will dispute that Ali had the greatest jab of any heavyweight, and the stamina over 12 rounds to use it. Tyson may have had dynamite in both hands, but if he can't hit anyone, his punches are merely duds. Ali beats Tyson in his prime using the jab first, and then countering with a right hand until Tyson goes down.

    Let us also dispel the myth that Tyson was one of the greatest heavyweights of all time. There is no doubt that he had tremendous power, but did he have a punch that was the equal of a Marciano, Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, George Foreman, Earnie Shavers or a left like Joe Frazier? All of those guys could knock you out with one punch, so there isn't even a case made that Tyson had the most devastating punch of the heavyweights. Fighters who come towards big and tall knockout punching heavyweights, get eaten up. Frazier, as great as he was, got destroyed by Foreman when he came at him, and that's exactly what would have happened to Tyson. Same thing against Liston. Had Tyson kept his head and his trainer and manager intact, yes, he may have been one of the greatest heavies of all time, but he didn't, and his rise to glory was cut short by Buster Douglas. And would anyone ever classify Douglas as being able to stand up to the greats that I mentioned?

    The 60s/70s era of heavyweights were the best ever in the heavyweight division. Second tier heavyweights like Jerry Quarry, Ernie Terrel, Ken Norton, Jimmy Ellis, would have been champions at virtually any other time in history. But they came about with the likes of Frazier, Foreman, and Ali all in their prime, and the only man to beat everyone on this list, was Ali. And that's a case for making him the greatest of all time.
  6. scott
    68. Posted by scott Tue Nov 3 8:21am EST

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    Dan the great boxing guru between 1964-1967 the Heavyweight division was owned by underweight basically light heanyweight boxers who was in their prime in 1964-67 ? Floyd Patterson, Archie Moore who Sonny Liston who made a living out of scaring the crap out of people before he ever entered the ring plain and simple Ali was nothing more than a draft dodger who hid behind his religion too get out of a war that by saying "I aint gonna fight in a white mans war" but he sure jumped at the opportunity too take white mans money. Dan maybe you either feel sorry for Ali because the Parkinsons has taken over his body which is a shame, or you are a brother from tne nation of islam, for the most part Ali fought fighters that were either washed up or otherwise inferior name 1 fighter that Ali beat that was as good as Tyson in his prime the fact is the guys that Ali beat Shavers, Norton, Frazier, Spinks oops sorry he lost the 1st spinks fight boy he was on Tysons level etc were busy padding their record with the same white guys and washed up fighters that Ali fought Ali was great at what he did and there is no disputing his impact on society but boxing historians put him on their list simply because he was a great humanitarian not just because he was a great boxer, and while Tyson was not the greatest example on a role model he was the most feared boxer of his time and Ali NEVER NEVER NEVER fought anyone like Mike Tyson, in Tysons prime he would have eaten those jabs that Ali was knocking people out with, while I think boxing is the greatest sport there is it is good that we can agree too disagree Ali was great and he was a great human being but he was not the greatest Heavyweight ever
  7. James H
    67. Posted by James H Tue Nov 3 4:17am EST

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    All time best p.f.p ........... sugar ray robinson . would have waxed pac @#$% & money GAY..IN HIS PRIME WAY BETTER THAN ANYONE ALLIE included.
  8. chilltown
    66. Posted by chilltown Tue Nov 3 2:45am EST

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    Grwnmn76 you obviously never saw ali fight in his prime. he was rarely ever hit, by anyone. he sat out most of his prime but from 64 to 67 he was amazing. he revolutionized the heavyweight division. he did what he wanted when he wanted and was rarely hit at all. tyson wouldn't have touched him. and even if he had, ali had the chin of granite. not tyson. never tyson. tyson was a street thug. an animal. he was devastating when he hit you. he just never would have hit ali flush. never . . . not in ali's prime. plus he would have been so frustrated and flummuxed by ali that he would have just quit. seriously . . . the two shouldn't ever be mentioned in the same sentence. not for boxing. not for human rights. not for anything. i think even tyson knows that, why don't you.
  9. chilltown
    65. Posted by chilltown Tue Nov 3 2:37am EST

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    Tyrone . . . you are an idiot! i don't know how else to explain it. i think idiot covers it. yup, idiot!
  10. Grwnmn76
    64. Posted by Grwnmn76 Tue Nov 3 2:30am EST

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    Knock out power in both his right and left hand. The ability to put combinations together with the accuracy and speed of a flyweight. A granite chin. An appetite for destruction. The only man to defeat him was himself. Some of the most interesting soundbites in recorded history. I do not speak of Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holyfield, Liston, Louis, Marciano and whomever else you'd like to put on this list. I simply speak of Iron Mike Tyson. None of the fighters listed in the aforementioned comments last longer than seven rounds with young Tyson, none of them.
  11. <i>carlton_simmons31746</i>
    63. Posted by carlton_simmons31746 Tue Nov 3 1:40am EST

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    fighters ali fought were 10 times better than fighters tyson or holmes fought. frazier got lucky and won against ali after he had years of laying off. tyson fought fighters who were clearly inferior than the ones ali fought. tyson would not have beaten liston, frazier, foreman or shavers. ali beat them all. holmes never fought any one worth mentioning. the win he so called won against ali was tainted due the age and wear and tear on ali.joe louis was slow, ali would have mopped him up. he was knocked out by a slow schmelling.marciano fought only bums. ali would have toyed with him and the fighters he fought. by far, ali is the greatest. no one is even close to him.
  12. Dan M
    62. Posted by Dan M Mon Nov 2 9:54pm EST

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    relax Scott...after reading that diatribe it seems you really have forgotten, or more likely, never knew in the first place. Saying Tyson was just as fast as a young Clay/Ali reveals how flawed your analysis is.
    Anyone who puts Tyson with the greats is one of three things....1) lacking a historical knowledge of heavyweights 2) too young to appreciate and respect what came before 3) blood relative or close personal friend of Tyson.
    Ali between 1964-67 would decision Tyson winning 12-13 out of 15 rounds or more likely knock him out after Tyson got tired and frustrated trying to catch him.
  13. lakeshow
    61. Posted by lakeshow Mon Nov 2 9:39pm EST

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    scott, for someone who professes to know so much about the sport of boxing, your rantings prove that ypou do not know squat! Maricano beat Ali? Tyson beat Foreman? What an idiot
  14. NILO
    60. Posted by NILO Mon Nov 2 6:18pm EST

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    “I don’t call him the best boxer of all time,” Foreman said, “but he’s the greatest human being I ever met.” That is the greatest tribute Foreman gave to his friend THE GREATEST MUHAMMAD ALI, truth is ALI was more than just a Boxer, he transcended the sport and was more of a statesman and icon for the masses. He did more than that, he broke through racial barriers and was well loved by people all around the world. Up to now he remains the greatest athlete and living legend. I was twelve years old during that fight in Zaire and it still remains as the greatest single match we ever saw. All of my classmates were shouting with either glee or disbelief as Foreman fell on the canvas and was counted out. It was the single greatest match we ever saw. But George just let us know what most people did not know after thirty five years, Ali held himself back and George was grateful for that. Ali was truly the Greatest.
  15. scott
    59. Posted by scott Mon Nov 2 4:41pm EST

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    Ok Dan I have probably forgotten more about boxing than you will ever begin to know and if you want to get down to the brass tacks I never said Ali wasnt great but he always fought boxers who simply did not have the skill set to compete for all you Cassius Clay lovers Mike Tyson was just as fast and could punch harder than anyone Ali ever fought dont be a hater; Tyson had a hard time after Cus died and let a woman simply ruin him, I never said that Tyson didnt have his demons to battle but to say that Tyson could not compete with the fighters of the promoter and mafia run era (1970s ) where the outcome was usually dictated before the fight even took place and lets be perfectly honest Ali beat a washed up Liston who was past his prime, Ken Norton whose only claim to fame was fighting with a broke jaw, Floyd Patterson and of course Joe Frazier at 180 lbs maybe gave Ali the beating of his life Ali might be the greatest ambassador to his religion of all time but to say that Ali is the greatest Heavyweight of all-time is stupid; Ali had about 4 good fighters that could actually give Ali fits, and in the meantime he padded his record by fighting white guys that were hand picked for him (wepner,Quarry both of them) and so on so maybe that it is you that is caught up in a generation gap while Ali was great against inferior competition Joe Louis would have murdered him and if Joe Frazier could beat Ali Marciano would also have beat his tail, and if you think that Foreman had Tysons skill set you are crazy Foreman was a perfect opponent for Ali he could punch hard but he had no stamina and was slower than cold syrup dont feel sorry for him because he is sick now Mike Tyson would have knocked him silly and if anybody questions Tyson speed Ali I dare say that Ali couldint hit at a rate of 5 times a second. Tyson if he would have had the sense God gave a goat and would have kept Kevin Rooney in his corner and Bill Cayton as his manager nobody in any era could beat him he was as fast as a middle weight and punched harder than anyone Ali ever fought Foreman included its time to give Tyson his due he was as gifted a fighter as anyone ever and would have been the greatest ever had he had a better business sense, but that is not what we are talking about fighting and who would win Tyson was capable in his prime of knocking out anyone in any era dont hate him because he wasnt the brightest fighter ever but he quite possibly was the best hevyweight of all-time and Ali would not have laid on the ropes against Tyson PERIOD
  16. <i>carlton_simmons31746</i>
    58. Posted by carlton_simmons31746 Mon Nov 2 1:33am EST

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    ali was by far the greatest boxer of all times.he truly would be without a doubt put an exclaimation on this had they not stripped him of the title while he was in his prime.larry holmes was an ali imitatore who tried to copy him. during his younger days ali would have destryed holmes. it a joke when holmes claimed to have beaten ali. that was not the real ali he won against .
  17. "D"
    57. Posted by "D" Mon Nov 2 12:50am EST

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    @ tyrone

    More black men need to do the same! Fighting for a country were you couldn't even use the same bathroom as whites! Fighting a war that America had no business fighting in the first place. Killing people that did nothing to us. You wanted him to go thousands of miles away to another country to kill people that never called him N*gger, never lynched his people, never raped, beat, burned and hated his people! The REAL war was right here in America! Like Ail said "your my enemy, not the vietmese people" Ali was extreemly brave to stand up to the US government...he's my hero! More black men should be so brave! Your just angry at his success....good I hope it hurts! Ali is a LEADER...not a follower, he led by example. No black man should ever fight the white mans wars! I'm proud of Ali...he truly is THE GREATEST!
  18. Louis F
    56. Posted by Louis F Mon Nov 2 12:19am EST

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    I'm watching Ali now on some classic fight channel. I just saw him whip Sonny Liston, I'm watching him toy and play around with Floyd Patterson and of course he beat the hard hitting George Foreman. Big George was bigger than Tyson hit harder than Tyson so, why do people think he would have even stood a chance with Ali.

    Ali surely is in the Top 3 Heavyweights of all time, if not #1.

    Rocky Marciano
    Joe Louis
    Jack Johnson
    George Forman
    Larry Holmes
    Joe Frazier
    Floyd Patterson
    Evander Holifield

    Tyson is in the above class of fighters, Any of those guys would have beaten Tyson in their prime and Tyson could have beaten any of them, but none would have beaten Ali in his prime.
  19. tyrone
    55. Posted by tyrone Sun Nov 1 10:19pm EST

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    Ali is the greatest draft dodger of all time ! It's too bad he turned his back on his country and fellow americans at a time he was needed the most ! b/c he was black and the heavyweight champion and used his bull sh*t faith to get him out of trouble with the goverment.I have no respect for him or his actions!
  20. luis a
    54. Posted by luis a Sun Nov 1 6:52pm EST

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    the greatest fight ever was the barrera vs. morales part 1. that's the best fight EVER.
  21. rick e
    53. Posted by rick e Sun Nov 1 12:06pm EST

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    Even though so many fighters came before Ali and after Ali. No fighter could ever be accepted as owning the phrase "I AM THE GREATEST" and go prove it to the World. Ali WAS gifted.
  22. goygacon
    52. Posted by goygacon Sun Nov 1 7:26am EST

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    That was a Great fight, but not the Greatest fight, maybe at that time, but not all time.
    Wasn't 30+ years later another youngster beat up on an old man, almost to the point most felt sorry for the old man, but the old man won...That is the Greatest achievement in the career of George Foreman in boxing...but it won't be the last time that happens.
    The greatest retired undefeated, that record remains unblemished nor is it disputable....
    but that was a great fight and it's true time heals old wounds...Glad to see George finally come to terms with that day.
    Great article, very nice read, thanks.
  23. slim
    51. Posted by slim Sat Oct 31 10:45pm EDT

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    ali was and still is the best of the best just may be the greatest of all time, just look at who he has fought some of the best of his era liston, foreman, frazier, archie moor ,patterson and holmes. the reason i say may be the greatest is because i think no 1 boxer is the greatest but there are class of great boxer who belong it that greatest class example sugar ray robinson.ali had a great chin, jab and also speed but his power was good. i grade ali and he gets a A LIKE MAY BE 92 or 93 and that great in my book young boxing fan go look at all ali fight and you will see why he is one of the greatest of all time in and out of the ring.
  24. Dan M
    50. Posted by Dan M Sat Oct 31 6:26pm EDT

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    Scott is a typical example of people who think the world began in their lifetime and have no knowledge and respect for the past. Great fighters came and went long before anyone ever heard of Mike Tyson. There isn't one boxing historian that ranks Tyson among the greats. Why? because he was a one-dimensional boxer that fought in a weak era for heavyweights. But more than that, he could be intimidated. He was the classic ring bully that couldn't handle mental toughness from his opponents.
    Holyfield and Douglas just refused to lose. And that would be Tyson's undoing against at least a dozen fighters that came before him.
    Hey Scott...your hero worship is misguided. You can do a lot better than Tyson.
  25. troy !
    49. Posted by troy ! Sat Oct 31 2:46pm EDT

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    I'm still amazed that ppl still think Tyson would beat ALI if he uses the rope-a-dope. Most are too young to realize that ALI was WELL past his prime when he fought Forman. The thing ppl still don't realize is that Tyson, even at his best, never had good STAMINA or BALANCE. Look at the record and see how many times Tyson has stopped an opponent after round 6.... I'll do it for you. TWICE... Now look at ALI's record and see how many times he has faced opponents with Tyson's power. MANY.

    Tyson is the Nexus of the Heavyweight division. Those who can get past the middle rounds would beat him. He does indeed rank high because there are very FEW who would make it past round 6. ALI, LOUIS, HOLMES, LEWIS, FORMAN, HOLYFIELD. All would make it past 6 and beat Tyson, with his best chance coming against Louis. All others would fail.

    Take the TOP 12. NO Heavyweight goes undefeated in a series of 3 fights against all others on the list. LOUIS, HOLMES, LEWIS would all take 1 out of 3 against ALI. HE's the best because he would emerge with the best record after a series of fights against the rest of the TOP 12.
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