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    Rick Nash Derby: Rangers and Sharks untouchables; the Blue Jackets’ asking price

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    "Derby" might not be the right word to describe the courtship of Rick Nash by several NHL teams.

    It's a word that connotes hoofs pounding the dirt, beasts jostling and snarling towards the finish line. But the Nash Derby is setting up like a bunch of thoroughbreds gauging how fast their opponents want to run, and deciding whether their own rally to the lead is worth the effort; the NHL Trade Deadline is looking more like the three-quarters pole than the final paces of the race.

    According to Eric Francis of the Calgary Sun, Columbus Blue Jackets GM Scott Howson has steadfastly held to his asking price: an effective player off an NHL roster; two top prospects and a first-round draft pick. How many teams currently in a playoff position would be willing to make the sacrifice?

    Two teams that are de facto front-runners for Nash: The New York Rangers, who have been in talks with Columbus since the gates opened on the derby; and the San Jose Sharks, because Joe Thornton is giddier than a child on a moon-bounce at the idea of his buddy Nash suiting up on his wing.

    But will they, or anyone, meet the asking price before Monday's deadline?

    From Larry Brooks of the New York Post, the latest on what the Rangers might ante up:

    Sources familiar with the parameters of the discussions between Sather and Columbus counterpart Scott Howson have told The Post the Rangers have designated Ryan McDonagh, Michael Del Zotto, 2009 first-rounder Chris Kreider and 2011 first-rounder J.T. Miller as untouchables when the Blue Jackets requested their inclusion in the package for Nash, the 27-year-old power winger who is being dangled to deep-pocket contenders.

    It is believed that Sather, who is not fazed by the ramifications of adding Nash's contract that runs through 2017-18 at a cap hit of $7.8 million per year, is prepared to send Brandon Dubinsky, Christian Thomas, and perhaps 2010 first-rounder Dylan McIlrath plus a first round pick to Columbus in order to bring the 6-foot-4, 220-pound, nine-year veteran to Broadway.

    Dubinsky has been mentioned prominently in these talks, both as having been coveted by Howson and, frankly, because he's never exactly been on Sather's untouchables list. McIlrath is a snarly, physical defensive prospect that is in no way the foundational player McDonagh can be. Rangers fans are probably exhaling now knowing that Kreider, a can't-miss prospect, is off the table.

    Brooks believes that Howson might be better off auctioning off Nash at the draft.

    That might be the best advice for a team like San Jose as well. The Sharks were a Western Conference Finalist last season, and added a few intriguing pieces (Burns, Havlat, Handzus, now Dominic Moore) to improve the team in the playoffs. It feels like this group should be further augmented, rather than exploded, which could happen with a Nash trade — not only with the pieces going to Columbus, but with the financial impact of that additional contract.

    Mr. Plank from Fear The Fin has a nice breakdown of the Sharks and Nash, including this assessment:

    Current untouchables on San Jose's roster before this year's deadline (read: guys who I think are pretty much as safe as possible from being included in a deal)? Joe Thornton, Patrick Marleau, Logan Couture, Antti Niemi, Martin Havlat, Dan Boyle, and Brent Burns. I'd put Marc-Edouard Vlasic and Joe Pavelski in there as an opinion, but I don't know whether or not that fits with what the organization believes so I'll leave them out.

    Darren Dreger of TSN noted that the Sharks shot down the Blue Jackets on Couture. Plank sees this as a potential package:

    If you move a player like Ryane Clowe, Jamie McGinn, and Jason Demers/Justin Braun for Rick Nash, you are a better team this season. If I'm Howson I don't take this deal as it doesn't fulfill the impact player I need to build a team around, but if I'm Doug Wilson I jump at it and make the move if I'm looking to sell out on this year's Cup run.

    The problem for Howson is that the derby field is narrowing, and the teams in it don't seem to be in a hasty bidding war for Nash. A team like the Los Angeles Kings, for example, might have more interest in a Jeff Carter/Mike Richards reunion or a James van Riemsdyk deal with the Philadelphia Flyers than in Nash.

    The Toronto Maple Leafs, meanwhile, "do not have a firm offer on the table for Rick Nash" according to GM Brian Burke. Probably because he doesn't tend goal.

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    • Reggie Bannister  •  Cincinnati, Ohio  •  3 months ago
      I agree it makes more sense for the Blue Jackets to deal Nash in the offseason, therefore he will traded out of Columbus by Monday.
    • Connor  •  East Amherst, New York  •  3 months ago
      It's gonna suck to be one of the guys involved in the Nash deal, to go from a cup contender to an incredibly #$%$ team. I'd be #$%$
      • Marko 3 months ago
        It's part of the job. If you don't like it, find something else.
      • Bosshog 3 months ago
        Yup...it would totally suck. At the end of the day I would take solace in driving my Ferrari and chillin' in my uber expensive stabbin' cabbin to ease the pain.
    • Andi  •  3 months ago
      Ugh, is it Monday yet? I'm tired of talking about all my favorite players getting traded for Rick Nash.
      • Ryan 2 months ago
        I know how you feel. I am a huge Dubinksy fan and I would hate to see him go
    • PuckCat6  •  Columbus, Ohio  •  3 months ago
      I guess I still don't understand the CBus blow up theory. their forwards aren't the problem. if Howson would have brought in a veteran goalie to help Mason along or replace him if times were still tough, they would be in a much better spot. Injuries and suspensions are what made this season so rough. That an a mediocre coach who just seemed completely lost at times. Howson, instead of selling the farm, get a solid D-Man and a goalie. Mr. Howson sir, you are an idiot!
      • Nick S. 3 months ago
        If CBJ could somehow trade Carter and someone else to VAN for Schneider that would solve the Goalie problem. Keep Sanford as a solid backup. Send Mason off to say Anaheim to be a backup to Hiller, and in return ask for George Parros. CBJ needs an enforcer, someone who is going to get the energy going. Jared Boll needs to go. Dorsett needs to focus on offense, he's actually proven this year he is a better scorer than fighter. And somehow deal off for Jack Johnson and there are 3 solid additions.
      • BFarva 3 months ago
        I think a partial blow up is necessary because Carter wants out badly and I hear Nash wants to hang around for more rebuilding.
      • Jason Newland 3 months ago
        This team doesnt need blown up! Get a frickin goalie in here and stay healthy on the Defense! I'm just dumb founded how Howson can think trading Nash wil help. Unless your getting a true star, dont do it. How about we fire the front office and go from there. Get someone who knows what theyre doing, Howson is a #$%$
    • Louie  •  Wausau, Wisconsin  •  3 months ago
      SJ doesn't need Nash, and Columbus wants too much for him. They won't trade. Pavs and Coture are both utscoring Nash so far this season, so why give either of them up. SJ needs another piece on the blue line.
      • Mark 2 months ago
        The Sharks don't need another Dman. The Sharks need another top 6 player. I don't think Nash is the guy personally.
    • JS  •  3 months ago
      really glad hearing about NYR untouchables
    • Special K  •  Los Angeles, California  •  3 months ago
      Why would you mess with chemistry? If New York were on the bubble I would understand, but at this point I would go with the group of guys I have now who have been playing extremely well together. Trust your guys Sather.
    • AndrewJ411  •  Chicago, Illinois  •  3 months ago
      Why would Havlat be untouchable? He just got there, pretty big contract, decent player.
      • Yougottabejokinen 3 months ago
        untouchable but not by SJ's choice. I don't think anyone would take that contract right now.
      • pnkwag 3 months ago
        Yeah, by untouchable he doesn't mean that San Jose isn't willing to give him up, simply that that those players won't/can't be moved.

        I'm pretty sure that everyone in San Jose would be more than willing to give up Havlat in a package for Nash, but that deal would never happen.
      • Gary 3 months ago
        I would love it, go ahead and send Havlat, Demers, Nitty, and a first rounder. Problem is in 100 years that wouldnt happen.
    • Reggie Bannister  •  Cincinnati, Ohio  •  3 months ago
      I already fell sorry for whoever ends up in Columbus in this trade.
    • marc adler  •  Newport Beach, California  •  3 months ago
      Nash will not be traded. He is not a free agent, & Howson should get goods for him. Teams want him but want to send average players for him. Kings will get Carter, not sure they should, by trading a JJ or Bernier, and then go for Van Riemsdyk.
    • mike  •  Columbia, Maryland  •  2 months ago
      Ovie scored 52 goals and 54 assist his rookie year playing with Halpern and Zubrus- What's Nashs' excuse?
    • Tweekerdog  •  Concord, California  •  3 months ago
      I like Nash, but that asking price is just huge. And then you have the big contract on top of that? Too high of a price to pay.
    • John  •  New York, New York  •  3 months ago
      The asking price is obviously way too high. And I don't think any team is going to give up what Howson wants for him.

      This year's draft is pretty week (outside of that Russian kid who's a definate #1 overall). So a # pick is fine, but won't do much. If I were Howson, I'd ask the Sharks for a #1 this year AND thier #1 in 2013, along with a couple of players. That's potentially four number one picks in two years, which they can either trade for an impact player or hope that one of those picks turns into something. Add a couple of other players like Demers and/or Braun and now you have something which I think is fair.

      I don't think the Rangers want to sacrifice that many picks for Nash. Though you never know.
    • McEvechkin  •  2 months ago
      I love Nash but the Ranges don't need him right now. Sather is stupid enough to screw with the team's chemistry though.
    • danny  •  Kelowna, Canada  •  3 months ago
      Howson is in panic mode for his own job. He's trying to make right with one swift move. His asking price is nuts. Nash has really not had that bad of talent around him, and yet he's never cracked 100pts, never 90, or 80 and only once in the 70's. Also never scored 50, and only twice 30's. Back to the argument about not having talented players around him, well ovie didn't nor sid... so why empty out the whole barn for this guy ??? Nash will not be moved at deadline, better deal for other teams in the summer, .... unless somebody like NY gets real despearte. Hmmm , and how will Nash jell with his new team ??
    • BFarva  •  3 months ago
      If I was Howson no way I would let go of Nash for what Sather is offering. If Sather is saying McDonagh is off the table (which is a smart move by Sather), Howson should try to get Erixson or maybe even Staal. Nash is the franchise and the ace up Howson's sleeve, the return for Nash has to move CBJ a rather far distance towards solid rebuilding. If you can get Erixson & a 1st round pick from NYR, then either Bernier or Johnson from LA for Carter, you're setting things up nicely.
    • StephenB  •  2 months ago
      i dont understand this about the NHL... every team hold onto their prospecs like grim death. Its like they think they are all going to turn into the franchise player. realistically folks most prospects dont amount to anything, or no better than another "guy", even the so called"cant miss guys"
    • Aaron  •  Wheeling, West Virginia  •  2 months ago
      after this road trip san jose needs a spark, so for the price which is steep you get a top 15 nhl player i say do it what have you got to lose
    • Casey  •  Redlands, California  •  2 months ago
      I would love to see him on the Kings but Lombardi doesn't give up a lot during the season. If the Kings end up with Nash it is going to be in the summer. I expect them to make some trade at the deadline though, Lombardi wont have a shot at Nash in the summer if he gets fired because his modest team missed the playoffs so he may even be a little more aggressive than normal.
    • Chris L  •  2 months ago
      Nash is a tough sell in the summer close to the draft because his NTC is going to kill the deals... However if Nash and Carter are dealt and most likely will be dealt together to separate teams you can count 3 first round picks for the CBJ 2-3 prospects 2-3 nhl ready players coming over that gives you if it's LA and NYR a 1st overall, around a 15th overall and around a 28th overall in the first round plus nhl ready talent and close to nhl ready talent... that is how you build a franchise and why one cannot look at trades individually...

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