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    Ralph Nader responds to Ryan Lambert’s criticism of his anti-fighting stance

    Getty ImagesRalph Nader, the 77-year-old consumer activist, is the founder of League of Fans. Along with sports policy director Dr. Ken Reed, Nader's organization "encourages social and civic responsibility in sports industry & culture."

    The social and civic responsible thing the NHL should do, according to Nader? "Take immediate steps to ban fighting and outlaw all blows to the head," according to an open letter to Gary Bettman on Feb. 6.

    Our own Ryan Lambert disagreed with the stance taken by Nader and Reed, and their supporting evidence to request these bans, in a Feb. 10 Trending Topics column. Wrote Lambert:

    It's a perfectly valid opinion. It's a wrong one, but as Tim Thomas knows, you're entitled to have it as a Free Citizen. But saying that fighting is directly related to the number of concussions in the NHL these days, as Nader does, is obviously and very plainly stupid.

    Reading his open letter to Gary Bettman, you can tell Nader hasn't watched too much hockey in, say, the last several decades. After conceding there is no evidence directly connecting fighting to brain injuries — the kind of missing link that makes the Intelligent Design crowd salivate — he says, "[r]epeated head trauma has shortened the careers of Pat LaFontaine, Eric Lindros, and Keith Primeau.  Currently, concussions are threatening the careers of Pittsburgh Penguins' superstar Sidney Crosby and the Philadelphia Flyers' Chris Pronger."

    First thing's first: How many of those guys got concussions from fighting? Primeau maybe? He also got popped more than a few times in open ice during his career.

    So read the original letter and read Lambert's rebuttal. And, coming up, read the rebuttal to the rebuttal from Ralph Nader to Ryan Lambert.

    Here is the letter we received from League of Fans on Tuesday:

    A Rebuttal to Ryan Lambert of Yahoo! Sports Regarding Fighting in the NHL

    February 21, 2012

    Dear Mr. Lambert:

    Thank you for your interest in our letter to NHL commissioner Gary Bettman, in which we called for a ban on fighting in the NHL ("Stay out of NHL Fighting, Ralph Nader," http://yhoo.it/wjujDx).

    While appreciating the passion in your commentary, we believe there were several misunderstandings, misstatements and unwarranted claims in your blog.  We would like to rebut several of the statements you made in reference to our letter.

    First of all, we never said that fighting is the "leading cause" of concussions as you state. Clearly, the vast majority of concussions in hockey result from blows to the head received in ways other than fighting.  As such, we called for a ban on fighting as part of an overarching ban on ALL blows to the head in the NHL.

    You claim that we said "fighting is directly related to the number of concussions in the NHL these days."  You called us "stupid" for saying that.  Your problem is, we never said such a thing.

    And we also didn't say fighting prematurely cut short the careers of Pat LaFontaine, Eric Lindros or Keith Primeau as you assert.  Moreover, we didn't state that fighting is threatening the careers of Sidney Crosby and Chris Pronger.

    Repeated head trauma shortened the careers of LaFontaine, Lindros, and Primeau, and is threatening the careers of Crosby and Pronger.  Obviously, the brain trauma these players endured came from blows to the head due to multiple causes, not simply fighting.  That's why we asked Mr. Bettman to take the step to outlaw all shots to the head, including those resulting from fighting.

    Additionally, while nobody can definitively say that fighting contributed to the deaths of three enforcers, Derek Boogard, Rick Rypien, and Wade Belak, this past year, it's certainly possible that the brain trauma they experienced on the ice in their roles as enforcers was a contributing factor to their tragic deaths.  In fact, we know for sure that Boogard was suffering from advanced stages of chronic traumatic encephalopathy (CTE), a brain disease caused by repeated blows to the head.  CTE symptoms include memory loss, depression, impulsiveness and drug and alcohol addiction.  It can only be diagnosed by examining the brain after death.

    Mr. Lambert, you also took us to task for suggesting a link between how NHL players conduct themselves on the ice and how young players at lower levels conduct themselves.  Junior hockey players know that fighting prowess is one way they can get to the NHL.  Junior hockey leagues allow fighting as part of their developmental role for the NHL.  To be sure, there are a large number of teenagers -- the vast majority of which will never make it to the NHL -- taking unnecessary shots to their brains in junior hockey leagues due to the fact that fighting and other unnecessary blows to the head are still allowed in those developmental leagues.

    Brain trauma is a serious problem in the NHL, and in all of sports for that matter.  It could be THE sports issue of the coming decade.  The fact Mr. Bettman -- after creating a department of player safety and professing a deep concern for his players' health -- continues to allow bare-knuckled blows to the head during games is tragic and completely irresponsible.

    As we asked Bettman in our letter, "How can you continue to allow fighting, in which the primary target is the head of your opponent, and seriously make the argument that you're doing all you can do to make player safety a priority?"

    Only last month, The Globe and Mail published an editorial calling for an end to fighting in junior hockey.  The editorial concluded, "The rules of Canada's game were not set in stone on a mountain top.  There is no earthly reason to put teenagers brains through a meat grinder to keep purists happy."  We couldn't agree more.

    The NHL and Gary Bettman have taken some positive steps in recent years to deem certain blows to the head illegal that were considered legal only a few short years ago. That's progress.  But some blows to the head remain legal and, of course, fighting is still allowed.  That needs to change.

    As NHL hockey legend Ken Dryden recently wrote, "If hits to the head are banned, why not punches to the head? … This is about head injuries, not fighting's place in hockey." (See "Time for the NHL to Get Head Smart" http://es.pn/qWVsxA)

    Mr. Lambert, the gist of our letter was about unnecessary damage to the brains of hockey players and what that damage means to the players themselves and everyone who loves them.

    It's fine to be passionate about the game of hockey.

    But given the growing mound of research on brain trauma in sports, it's important that everyone who cares about hockey be just as passionate about protecting hockey players -- and their futures -- by doing everything possible to make hockey a more "head smart" game.

    Sincerely,

    Ralph Nader, Founder, League of Fans

    Ken Reed, Sports Policy Director, League of Fans

    • • •

    All of this you've read before, but the bottom line for me is that Nader and Reed are doing what every anti-fighting opponent has done for the last year: Placed every player affected by concussions under the same big tent and then raised a flag that reads "BAN HEAD SHOTS" above it, while propping up the bodies of Boogaard, Rypien and Belak as a sideshow. It intentional generalization for the sake of political pressure, and it undermines some salient points about fighting in lower levels of competition.

    But at least we know Nader and Lambert won't come to blows were they were to meet. Well, we're pretty sure anyway.

     

    46 comments

    • NICk  •  Pleasanton, California  •  3 months ago
      Someone reads Lambert's articles?
      • Aaron B 3 months ago
        It's actually kind of entertaining to watch him set up a straw man and then rip it to shreds.
    • Misha  •  New York, New York  •  3 months ago
      Anyone else realize that hits to the head are already illegal? Its up to the players really. How much control do you really think the rules of the league has over things like this? Headshots will become extinct when players stop hitting each other in the head - stricter enforcement isn't really doing much.
    • Jason  •  Madison, Wisconsin  •  3 months ago
      Way to go Lambert. World class journalism right there.
    • Sigurd Snake-in-the-Eye  •  Vancouver, Canada  •  3 months ago
      Your interpretation of the bottom line suggest that either you did not read the letter, or that your reading comprehension skills are lacking.
    • Ryan  •  Chicago, Illinois  •  3 months ago
      I'm still hoping to see a written rebuttal from Eminem to Lambert re: Detroit sucking.
    • Alex  •  3 months ago
      Dear Ralph Nader,
      Please show us in which hockey league in North America it isn't against the rules to deliberately or recklessly hit someone in the head?

      Hint: There isn't one.
      • Hospy 3 months ago
        To be fair, the penalties safeguarding against it are hardly severe.
      • Jeffrey 3 months ago
        um theyre pretty severe a game misconduct penalty (out for the game) plus at least a 5 game suspension and if your'e a repeat offender even more
      • J 3 months ago
        Matt Cooke is a lifetime repeat offender. Received no penalty for braining Marc Savard. Game Misconducts are useless in the case of Aaron Rome's assualt of Nathan Horton, worst player on the squad got tossed with less than a period left. Suspensions don't work for goonsquad players with no other value.
    • Conrad  •  Ottawa, Canada  •  3 months ago
      This is what happens when someone who trolls for a living is engaged by someone who is undertaking a professional public relations campaign. One side ends up looking petulant for arrogant, and the other ends up taking the high ground. Lambert's just making it easier for them to make their case. Maybe this will serve as a lesson the next time Lambert decides the gist of his article should be "Obviously person X is an idiot" rather than a diplomatic position backed up by evidence. Being professional doesn't keep some hockey journalists from expressing an opinion. Look at Elliott Friedman.

      As for your closing statement Wysh, not sure why anti-fighting and BAN HEAD SHOTS should be distinguished from one another. This is something painfully obvious to everyone except hockey purists. Punching someone in the head is a head shot. If you're against blows to the head because you're afraid what they might do to players, how can you say that some blows to the head are okay? If justifying punches to the head as "enforcers made their choice," why not do the same for all players having received a head shot in a fast and physical game?
      • Conrad 3 months ago
        Having said all that, kudos for posting their reply in full.
      • Jesse 2 months ago
        You had me confused for a moment. I thought you were talking about Nader when you said said "someone who trolls for a living".
    • Tom  •  St Louis, Missouri  •  3 months ago
      #$%$ Lambert trolled Ralph Nader and got served. Never thought I'd type that.
    • Doogie  •  Calgary, Canada  •  3 months ago
      Time for Lambert to rent a barn.
    • Cornholio  •  3 months ago
      I don't like Nader, but I like Lambert even less. Although I side with Lambert in this argument, it pains me to go with a giant douche over a turd sandwich.
    • Daniel  •  Winnipeg, Canada  •  3 months ago
      Regardless of your opinion on fighting's place in hockey, you've got to admit Lambert got taken to school here. Not that that's a surprise.
    • joe  •  Fairfield, California  •  3 months ago
      "Undermines some salient points about fighting in the lower levels of hockey" ...what salient points might those be?
    • John  •  New York, New York  •  3 months ago
      While I think Mr. Nader has his intentions in the right place, his solution is ultimately misguided.

      Hockey is - and always shall be - a contact sport. And in contact sports, the participants realize that there is a high risk of injury; especially when competing amongst the best players in the world. The size and speed of the participants is the allure of playing the game, but this almost guarantees injury.

      And while you can take reasonable steps to mitigate injury, there's no real way to fully eliminate it.

      But the real point of this, Mr Nader, is that the participants all realize what they're getting into. Not one of the players - from Junior on up to the NHL - feel that it is the responsibilty of those that govern the sport to ensure complete safety. That's because all of those participants realize that it simply CAN'T BE DONE.

      Nader's proposal to eliminate fighting and eliminate headshots does not take into account one fact - the participants in the sport realize that they may have to defend themselves by fighting or may get hit in the head (whether intentionally or inadvertantly)...and THEY WILLINGLY ACCEPT THAT RISK. If they didn't want to take the risk, they simply would not play hockey - period.

      So Mr. Nader, if the participants don't want the game to change in the manner you are suggesting, then what need is there to make that change? Is the "benefit" of your rule changes for the fans? Because it's certainly not for the players, because they clearly don't want it.
    • Murray  •  Ottawa, Canada  •  3 months ago
      I can't wait for Nader to bring up Ovechkin's mom and steroids.
      • pnkwag 3 months ago
        Sidney Crosby's concussion problems are clearly caused by the fact that he's a vampire.
    • puckbite.com  •  Quebec, Canada  •  3 months ago
      Nader makes his points about fighting and head shots in a measured, reasonable, respectful manner. Can't say the same for Puck Daddy, unfortunately. It's amazing how the diehard pro-hockey-fight crowd is impervious to any argument against fighting, be it an ethical argument or even a parental one, and in some cases a medical one. My youngest is joining a hockey team in September. If it's what he wants, I'd like him to be able to aspire to a long hockey career without fighting, the way he's going to be taught all of his childhood. Hockey is an emotional, aggressive sport. I love it for that, and for lots of other things too. Hockey's also an excellent opportunity to promote self-control and focus in our youth. At that level, the NHL must set an example and ban fighting as well as continue to crackdown on headshots and dirty play. Fights as the players’ way of policing each other’s inappropriate behaviour (slashing, spearing, etc.) or as their way of venting emotion, underestimates an individual’s capacity for self-control and mutual respect. It’s an insult to players and any person watching. Self-control and mutual respect need to be promoted. Banning fights is a step in that direction. We needn't be slaves to tradition or history.
    • Connor  •  East Amherst, New York  •  3 months ago
      I completely disagree with banning fighting, but I can't help wanting to see Nader show up that tool Lambert.
    • Horatio Caine  •  3 months ago
      I am no expert on concussions just a lifelong fan of the game, so I am not going to take a side on this whole fighting arguement. That being said, I think it is full of win that Nader took the time to put Lambert in back in his place, his parents basement.
    • Clarky  •  Hong Kong, Hong Kong  •  3 months ago
      I like fighting in hockey and if we live in a society free enough to allow people to make a living by willingly engaging in a sport that potentially endangers their brain (in part via fighting) then so be it. But Nader's arguments are solid and he has more class and has done infinitely more than Lambert every will so Lambert should show the man the proper respect he deserves. "Stupid"? You just lost the debate with that thoughtless remark there blogboy.
    • Tim  •  Fort Wayne, Indiana  •  3 months ago
      On a side note, it seems to me that this League Of Fans only has Ralph Nader's name attached to it to grab attention/headlines. The "About Us" page on the League Of Fans website basically says "founded by Ralph Nader, but here's a six-paragraph bio of Dr. Ken Reed (who is actually responsible for all the content)."
    • The Esquire  •  Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania  •  3 months ago
      Of course, there can be anti-headshot people, and anti-fighting people, and then there can be anti-fighting and headshot people. They can be separate and distinguishable, but they don't have to be. Actually, the point they were making with Boogaard, Rypien, and Belak didn't really seem to be too side show-y. I mean really, at least in this one letter, they said very clearly that they want all headshots eliminated, AND they were looking at fighting specifically because it causes, what? Headshots. Sure they mixed guys that got concussions from running into the boards in with guys that undoubtedly got concussions from being punched in the face repeatedly, but that's their whole point, so why would they not do that?On a personal level, I believe that fighting should stay in the NHL, probably with some reformed rules and the like (keep the instigator, maybe make more than one in a game suspendable, maybe other things), but fighting should not be an option in junior. Period. In junior coaches ask children to go fight bare knuckled just like they do in the NHL. Only, there is no "they're adults, they made their choice" excuse. They can develop fighting the the ECHL or AHL just like every other skill. Nader and Reed make totally valid, if a bit worn points which makes Lambert a #$%$

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