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    NHLPA 2012 Players Poll analysis: Bad news for Canucks, Ovechkin; great news for Blues, Datsyuk

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    The 2012 NHLPA/CBC Sports Players Poll was released on Sunday online, with three more questions coming up during CBC's coverage of the New Jersey Devils and Montreal Canadiens on Sunday. (Including which city deserves the next NHL franchise.)

    The NHLPA poll featured 318 players responding to the questionnaire, which ranged from the usual likes/dislikes to issue-oriented questions like the instigator penalty, for which support has dropped. Some of the answers are obvious: How Zdeno Chara only managed 59 percent for the hardest shot in the NHL is baffling. Some of the answers, however, are a bit more insightful and intriguing.

    The full poll and results can be found here.

    Now, here's a look at a few of the more contentious and debatable topics, and a few revelations along the way that should be frustrating for the Canucks, the Leafs and Alex Ovechkin.

    And here … we … go.

    Who is the most overrated team?

    Vancouver Canucks 24%
    Toronto Maple Leafs 18%
    Washington Capitals 15%
    New York Rangers 9%
    Ottawa Senators 4%
    Pittsburgh Penguins 4%

    My, how the overrated have fallen. The Washington Capitals won this poll in a walk last season with 35%. Now they're not even worth the trouble anymore. Instead, it's the Canucks who move from 12 percent last season to the top spot this season, no doubt buoyed by their timid Stanley Cup Final performance against Boston, the lack of testicular fortitude from their star starting goaltender and the usual Sedin jealousy/Burrows loathing that permeates these polls.

    The Leafs at No. 2? Well, if they have the League's most overrated player

    Who is the most underrated team?

    St. Louis Blues 26%
    Nashville Predators 21%
    Ottawa Senators 11%
    Florida Panthers 11%
    New York Islanders 10%
    Toronto Maple Leafs 5%

    Talk to players and management around the NHL and you'll understand this is no aberration: The Blues have the respect of the League right now, not only as a playoff team but as a Cup contender. You hear a lot of "people don't realize how good they really are." Which, I guess, is code for "underrated."

    Last year's winners were the Nashville Predators. Gone from last year's list: The Phoenix Coyotes and Dallas Stars.

    Only in Toronto can you have the second most overrated and sixth most underrated team …

    Who is the toughest player?

    Milan Lucic, Boston Bruins 20%
    Zdeno Chara, Boston Bruins 17%
    Shawn Thornton, Boston Bruins 11%
    Brian McGrattan, Nashville Predators 7%
    Matt Carkner, Ottawa Senators 4%
    George Parros, Anaheim Ducks 4%

    Last year's winner was the late Derek Boogaard.

    This one just goes to show how certain acts and certain performances on the big stage can change perceptions. Lucic had 4-percent support last season. After winning the Stanley Cup in a physical domination of the Vancouver Canucks, running over Ryan Miller this season and generally never backing down from a fight, Looch tops the list.

    Thornton didn't make the cut last season; now, because of the playoff run and the Bruins' reputation, he's ranked third. Also, we imagine, because he's an incredible debater when speaking to Vancouver columnists on Boston sports talk shows.

    As for McGrattan, this vote would seem to indicate his peers see him, Thornton and Parros as the reigning heavyweight champs. Sorry, John Scott.

    Getty ImagesWho is the most difficult player to play against?

    Pavel Datsyuk, Detroit Red Wings 26%
    Zdeno Chara, Boston Bruins 19%
    Sidney Crosby, Pittsburgh Penguins 9%
    Evgeni Malkin, Pittsburgh Penguins 7%
    Jonathan Toews, Chicago Blackhawks 4%
    Shea Weber, Nashville Predators 3%

    Seeing Datsyuk on top is no surprise, given that last year's winner Sidney Crosby's been out of action for most of the last 365 days. Dats was third last year behind Chara, and he's having an MVP season for the Red Wings.

    What's interesting is to see Crosby clinging to a lead over Malkin in this category, given that Malkin's been unstoppable for stretches this season.

    Even more interesting: Alex Ovechkin, fourth last season with 8 percent, no longer ranks in the Top 6 for the players that are toughest to play against. Because he isn't anymore.

    FOR GOALIES: Who is the player that's most difficult to stop?

    Pavel Datsyuk, Detroit Red Wings 24%
    Steven Stamkos, Tampa Bay Lightning 12%
    Sidney Crosby, Pittsburgh Penguins 12%
    Alexander Semin, Washington Capitals 12%
    Nathan Gerbe, Buffalo Sabres 6%
    Evgeni Malkin Pittsburgh Penguins 6%

    You have dangle-master Datsyuk, Richard candidate Stamkos, the brilliant Crosby, the surging Semin, Nathan Gerbe, the masterful Malkin … WAIT, NATHAN GERBE?

    Nathan Gerbe. As they say, you can't stop what you can't see. And Gerbe is, of course, Lilliputian.

    You winner last year: Alex Ovechkin with 27 percent. And, once again, the mighty have fallen.

    Who is the most underrated player?

    Loui Eriksson won this one last season. There's an interesting comparison to be drawn here between the NHLPA poll (318 players responded to the questionnaire) and the recent Sports Illustrated players poll (179 NHL players):

    NHLPA/CBC SI
    Patrice Bergeron, Boston Bruins 9% Loui Eriksson, Dallas Stars
    Jamie Benn, Dallas Stars 6% Jamie Benn, Dallas Stars
    Loui Eriksson, Dallas Stars 4% Joe Pavelski, San Jose Sharks
    Claude Giroux, Philadelphia Flyers 3% Jordan Staal, Pittsburgh Penguins
    David Krejci, Boston Bruins 3% Chris Kelly, Boston Bruins
    David Backes, St. Louis Blues 3% Pavel Datsyuk, Detroit Red Wings

    So did the sample SI chose consider Bergeron to be rated properly? Did the NHLPA sample consider Pavelski overrated?

    Bottom line: At some point Eriksson needs to stop being on these lists. If you have the respect of your peers annually in a question like this, no one's underestimating you.

    Also, perhaps the new standard should be: If you're an all-star player, you're not underrated. Chris Kelly is underrated. Claude Giroux?

    Who is the best referee?

    Paul Devorski 19%
    Kelly Sutherland 15%
    Wes McCauley 13%
    Dan Van Massenhoven 9%
    Stephen Walkom 6%
    Kyle Hehman 6%

    Did last year's winner, "NONE", retire?

    Or did the NHL step in and say, "Hey, couldja not offer 'NONE' as an option this year? OK thanks"?

    Sutherland was second to NONE last season; now he's second to Paul Devorski, who was fifth last year. Veteran guy, calls a consistent game. Interesting to see Stephen Walkom, who left the NHL front office to get back on the ice, a little lower than expected.

    We wish they would have done a worst referee list, even if it would have been a match race between Tim Peel and Stephane Auger.

    What team would you most like to play on?

    Chicago Blackhawks 14%
    Detroit Red Wings 13%
    Boston Bruins 11%
    Toronto Maple Leafs 8%
    Montreal Canadiens 6%
    Tampa Bay Lightning 5%
    (The Rangers were tied for seventh with San Jose and Vancouver.)

    The Blackhawks were third in this vote last season, with Detroit winning at 14 percent. Joel Quenneville is the second most popular choice for coach the players would like to play for. There's tons of talent there, two years removed from a Stanley Cup. And it's a class Original Six organization. Not a big surprise.

    Three points of interest: For all the talk of intense pressure keeping players away from Toronto and Montreal, they both rank as a more popular destination than New York.

    Also, you have to go all the way down to seventh place to find a team out West.

    But perhaps most puzzling: What does it say that the Pittsburgh Penguins have the coach players would most like to play for in Dan Bylsma but don't have one of the Top 9 teams players would like to play for?

     
    • The Hockey Hitman  •  Panama City, Florida  •  3 months ago
      Always interesting to see the results of these polls. I put a lot of stock in what the players, you know, the guys who are actually the "pros" of hockey, think. Datsyuk is obviously admired a great deal by his peers, says a lot about him. I'd like to mention I have 4 of the top 6 "toughest players to play against" on my fantasy team(Crosby, Toews, Chara, Weber). I've heard good things about Brad Shaw, St. Louis Blues assistant coach, in the past...good to see him get some recognition.
      • PHILIPL 3 months ago
        I would like to point out that most teams just plan don't like to fly all the way to Vancouver....we see this crap all the time living on the west coast...But never have been anywhere back east in all my years of travel that i would like to live more then the pacific NW...So stick your pole up your east coast A@#
      • Jack D 3 months ago
        RIGHT, everyone hates Vancouver because of where they are on the map. If that's what you need to tell yourself so you can sleep at night, go right ahead.
      • Las Cumbres 3 months ago
        You play fantasy hockey.. Hahaha
    • Freddie Bear  •  Austin, Texas  •  3 months ago
      They dropped the question of which coach players would least like to play for.... which was Ron Wilson in a landslide last year. Burke blew a gasket and the question was dropped. Burke is the most powerful voice in hockey.

      Shame on the NHLPA to cave in like a sand tunnel to Brian Burke's demands that his buddy not be embarrassed by the players.
      • GETREAL 3 months ago
        Burke is the reason the Canucks didn't win the Stanley Cup last year...I was loving every minute of him watching the maple duds get schooled the other day. It was Burke decision to suspend Rome and the Canucks fell apart after that.
      • elirancool 3 months ago
        @GETREAL
        honestly, get real. the canucks lost cause the bruins were better. deal with it
      • donny brook 3 months ago
        The Leafs are lucky to finally have Burke to run their team. They will now consistently make the playoffs, soon they will be a second round playoff team. Then, when they have the right coach and the right captain they will be an actual contender.
    • peppercl79  •  Prince Frederick, Maryland  •  3 months ago
      Two in three fans want the instigator abolished!

      http://www.playerspoll.ca/Survey
    • Johnny Utah  •  Guelph, Canada  •  3 months ago
      More proof that these surveys are a complete joke. How can the Leafs be in top 6 of both overrated AND underrated?? These things clearly mean nothing and you should seriously stop posting the, PuckDaddy.
      • Randy 3 months ago
        Because it is an opinion of over three hundred players and some think yes....some think no. Just like you might rate my lady a 4 and I think she is an 8.
      • Canuck fan first, Hockey ... 3 months ago
        The Leaf players were able to vote for themselves in the "underrated" catagory...
    • wickedkitchenb!tchoftheno ...  •  Doylestown, Pennsylvania  •  3 months ago
      Not a cunucks fan but respect thier skills. I too find it hard to see how they are considered overrated. New york rangers are on the list as well and they have the best win% in the league. But we have to remember these are the players opinions. Maybe its an overall lack of fear of playing them or they just don't like them. Who knows. But I wouldn't get all bent about it. No true fan of the game doesn't take notice of vancouvers record.
    • KK  •  Appleton, Wisconsin  •  3 months ago
      Crosby with 9 percent as the most difficult to play against? I would have thought he'd get 100! after all... you can't even SEE him on the ice!!!
      • Україна 3 months ago
        Crosby is not as talented as Daniel or Henrik Sedin.
      • Matt 3 months ago
        Now that's just stupid, Crosby is much better than Daniel or Henrik

        Now, comparing him to Daniel AND Henrik, that's a different story!!
      • Jim 2 months ago
        Certainly not lately.
    • D Mac  •  3 months ago
      Vancouver is the hottest team right now looking at their last 10 games...right behind Detroit for first overall...and they are overated? hate'em or like'em...the Canucks will be back in the hunt again and everyone knows it!
      • Just Bring It ! 3 months ago
        blah, blah, blah, blah
      • Randy 3 months ago
        Not based on the last ten games...or even twenty
      • hhuevonn 3 months ago
        how can you be a stanley cup finalist and be overrated?!
    • MattD  •  3 months ago
      Pavel Datsyuk won 6 out of a possible 13 categories and dominated this poll like no other - so there you are Hart Trophy voters.
    • pat e  •  Chilliwack, Canada  •  3 months ago
      Everybody knows the regular season doesn't mean schitt. Especially when you don't make the playoffs year after year after year after............
    • Gurpreet  •  3 months ago
      I agree that the Panthers, Preds & Blues are underated, gotta love Datsyuk and J. Benn is one of the most underrated players right now. But Nucks being the most overrated team is almost shocking, I'm not even sure if the players themselves know what overrated means or maybe CBC tampered with the results as its obvious that they hate the Nucks.
    • Україна  •  3 months ago
      CANUCKS OVER-RATED!

      HAHAHAHA

      reigning presidents trophy winners
      game 7 stanley cup finals
      two of the best scorers in the game in Henrik and Daniel
      olyimpic gold medalist goaltender
      3 all stars at all star game.
      Best powerplay in the league.
      Best road record in the league.

      When is the last time you have seen the Canucks talk bad about any onther team in the NHL, yet players from other teams are always bashing the Canucks.

      It pisses me off.
    • yo daddy  •  3 months ago
      Wouldn't any team want their opponents underestimating their talent? I don't understand the logic... why is this bad news again?
    • Licker  •  Vancouver, Canada  •  3 months ago
      Bad news for the Canucks? Does this poll matter to a single player or real fan? NO! BTW the over rated Canucks are 2 points out of first place
    • James T  •  Hamilton, Canada  •  3 months ago
      What the hell does SI know about hockey? Do they even have a full time hockey writer? If they do, he's one lazy a-hole!
    • caleb  •  2 months ago
      NATHAN GERBE. That's all I really want to talk about.
    • Shawn  •  2 months ago
      Leafs are over-under-rated I guess.
    • PuckOff  •  3 months ago
      Only the Boston Sh.its and their stupid players can be this freaking stupid to fall for this kind of insignificant votings.
    • GETREAL  •  3 months ago
      Won the President's for being top team last year. One game away from winning the Stanley cup. This year the team is second in the NHL in points, tops in the Northwest and they're on a 13 game game streak. Sounds pretty overrated to me. What a joke this poll. Much respect to Colorado for having the balls to not be apart of this B.S.
    • Stephen P  •  3 months ago
      What do NHL players know about playing in the NHL??? Gawd, Wyshynski....
    • Connor  •  Port Coquitlam, Canada  •  3 months ago
      Who cares? Certainly not the Canucks.

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