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    Did Avalanche know Yzerman was turning Kyle Quincey into Detroit’s 1st-round pick?

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    As with any three-way deal, one team's fans are left wondering about the middle man being eliminated.

    The Colorado Avalanche traded defenseman Kyle Quincey to the Tampa Bay Lightning for forward Steve Downie. The Lightning then traded Quincey to the Detroit Red Wings for minor league defenseman Sebastian Piche and the Wings' first-round pick in the 2012 NHL Entry Draft.

    Therefore, the Avalanche could have traded Quincey for a first-rounder and a prospect, right?

    In theory. Bruce Garrioch reported that the Red Wings made their pitch to GM Greg Sherman, but he wasn't buying what they were selling. Fact is that the Avalanche had a need for a forward like Downie, who's gritty, physical, difficult to play against and has an occasional dash of the crazies. Quincey wasn't likely to return next season, but he was also their leader in ice time — it's not outlandish to believe they wanted a roster player back for him.

    All that said: Did Sherman know he was trading Quincey to Yzerman so Yzerman could trade him to Detroit for a first?

    That's where it gets a little hazy.

    From the Lightning, here's Yzerman after the trade:

    Q. Was there ever a moment today where you thought about keeping Kyle Quincey? How difficult was he to pass up?

    "Initially, the discussions were with Colorado about Kyle Quincey. I thought more about him and talked to other general managers around the league as to what they were looking for and his name came up. You take everything into consideration: contract status, where they're going to fit on your team, the type of player they are, and we had to think if we wanted Kyle Quincey or a first-round pick. I thought we should take the first-round pick."

    From Kevin Allen of USA Today, here's the Detroit side of the equation via GM Ken Holland:

    Holland originally had talked to Colorado general manager Greg Sherman about acquiring Quincey, who started his career in Detroit.

    "I didn't like any of the names he brought up, and he didn't like any of the names I brought up, and that's where it ended," Holland said. "Then a couple of days ago, (Tampa Bay general manager) Steve Yzerman called and said I might get Quincey. Are you interested?"

    Ah, so Yzerman was working on Downie for Quincey, and called his boys in Detroit, who were willing to ante up a first-rounder for a player that's an RFA when the "going rate" for a UFA rental has been a second-rounder.

    But did Sherman know that after rebuffing Detroit himself, Yzerman was going to flip Quincey to them?

    Sherman was asked that on NHL Live on Tuesday: Was he aware, or did he just wash his hands of the situation after acquiring Downie?

    Said Sherman:

    "I think there's a bit of both there. I had good conversations with Steve in there [being] potentially a 3-way scenario. But what we're trying to do is improve our club and Steve was a piece that we wanted to add, so … to your point of washing your hands, once you make that move and you get the player that you're looking to bring in, then what happens from there is their business. Kyle played very well for us and he wore the jersey with pride."

    Speculative translation: He knew Yzerman might flip Quincey. He might not have known it was Detroit, or that the return would be a low first-round pick.

    Adrian Dater thinks the Avs won the trade. Ditto David Driscoll-Carignan of Mile High Hockey:

    The thought of Downie and Landeskog running over opponents together or Downie riding shotgun to protect Stastny and Duchene is a warm thought indeed. I like this move. In the short term, the Avalanche get offense and grit for a potential playoff run. And, if they ultimately fall short, Downie is a young player who can play a role in the perennial rebuild. That's a win in my book.

    For now. But when we find out who that draft pick turns out to be …

     

    35 comments

    • Robert  •  Grand Haven, Michigan  •  3 months ago
      This is a good example of making a story from something that is not a story. Can't we have something more interesting?
    • chris  •  Pickering, Canada  •  3 months ago
      Who cares if they knew they were flipping him for a pick? Why is this even an article? The headline of this article makes you think that TB acted in bad faith, which they clearly did not.

      Why oh why does yahoo have this guy on their writing staff? Everything he posts on here is useless drivel. Does he have some sort of quota for how many articles he has to write in a week?
      • Grampa 3 months ago
        slow sports day!
    • Cornholio  •  3 months ago
      Love the Wings adding depth on the blue line. This puts Kindl and others on notice that their minutes are not guaranteed. With Lidstrom nearing the end of a great career (one has to assume) and Stuart's contract coming up as a UFA I love bringing in a guy with some skill and a big body. Now to keep him in Detroit.
    • American Chewie  •  Monitor Twp, Michigan  •  3 months ago
      Adrian Dater is a homer and he hates the Red Wings, what do you expect him to say? Oh by the way, Mr. Dater, did they ever teach you about objectivity in J-school or did you sleep through that section?
      • TenHi 3 months ago
        It's a blog, and Dater covers the Avs. Why would he be objective?
    • Wakford Squeers  •  3 months ago
      This trade works for all parties involved, Detroit gets the player they should have never waived, Avs get a physical player, and Tbay get an extra 1st round draft pick that they can flip for a goal tender.
    • flyerfan2716  •  York, Pennsylvania  •  3 months ago
      The only way you could say something shady was going on is if detroit gave tampa the same deal the avs wanted in the first place. Other than that seems alls fair to me.
    • Yahoo Taliban  •  Atlanta, Georgia  •  3 months ago
      Alls people see is "first rounder"..I'm guessing you never cheered for a team that had Patty Stefan on it. He was a 'first rounder'. I woulda took Downie's mullet for him straight up in a trade.
      • john 3 months ago
        When did Downey grow into his skates? He's five ten a buck ninety!!!! Have you check out the size of t guys in the NHL
      • Yahoo Taliban 3 months ago
        Steve "Downie" was the only Ning player to actually hit people and add grit. Yes, he's a smallish agitator, but a gritty player, I'd take him over a soft euro any day, it wasn't his fault he was Tampon Bay's "enforcer". He wasn't even a head case in Tampa, he's really not a bad player at all, the Avs missed Claude Lemieux, they got a newer version of him now.
    • Teacherman  •  3 months ago
      We do scout well.
    • An AZZ MAN  •  Detroit, Michigan  •  2 months ago
      Why should Detroit worry about a first rounder..Thay are the KING of finding talent in late rounds. Datsyuk..Lidstrom..Franzen..Zetterberg and the list goes on and on...GREAT scouting the Red Wing organization has. Check where these players were drafted..It is AMAZING.
    • kingpin  •  Toronto, Canada  •  3 months ago
      i like this article. as red wings fan its good to know all sides that were happened when making the trade.
      it allows readers to know how GM thinks about when making a trade too.
    • Killingjoke  •  3 months ago
      what is this elementary school? I'll only play with you but you cant play with him.
    • Hater1  •  3 months ago
      Does it make the Wings stronger? That is all I care about. Stevie, can we have Ryan Malone, too.
    • Austin  •  Tampa, Florida  •  3 months ago
      I think everyones gonna turn out happy, the Avs picked up a REALLY gritty guy who is underrated, especially offensively, and Tampa is in a rebuilding phase which will be long term not overnight. Theyre gonna go younger and bigger, essentially starting over.All their draft picks coming up arent going to create a KO season next year, but another one within 5.
    • JZarris  •  Surfside, California  •  3 months ago
      I doubt Sherman ever asked Yzerman if he planned on flipping Quincey to Detroit; short of this I fail to see where the story is.
      • MSP 3 months ago
        He "Sherman" said as much. "once you make that move and you get the player that you're looking to bring in, then what happens from there is their business." non story
    • Bruce Mason Jr.  •  Warren, Oregon  •  3 months ago
      Stevie Y might be making a bid for St. Louis goalie Ben Bishop (6-foot-7 stud with six shutouts in AHL) ...
    • Steven  •  Vancouver, Canada  •  3 months ago
      This is a real hockey trade! Everyone got something they wanted and Tampa has the potential for a real steal since the western conference is going to be so tough. What happens if Detroit gets upset in the first round (not likely but it has happened)...Tampa could end up with a pick in the 16-23 range. While I would have been really tempted to keep Quincy, the contract price might have been too high.
      • Roswell survivor 3 months ago
        The pick will most likely be in the 25-30 range-what are you talking about? Probably only about 8 picks lower than Tampa Bays 2nd rounder. Tampa comes out a loser in this deal.
      • Cujoe315 3 months ago
        Umm no Ryan, playoffs do determine draft position, like all sports. Look at last years draft, Vancouver had the 29th pick, while Anahiem had the 30th pick because they received it from Boston. For each playoff round, the record matters, so if Detroit is beaten in the first round, they will most likely receive the 22nd pick, as the 8 teams moving on will receive lower picks, but as most likely Detroit will have the best or top 3 record, they will receive the lowest pick out of the first round losers. It also makes common sense, as it wouldn't be fair for the team with the lowest record out of all the playoff teams to receive the 15th pick even if they win the cup.
      • shula 3 months ago
        The last four teams get the last four picks. After that it goes by rankings. If Detroit finishes first overall and loses in the first round, the pick is still #26
    • Charlton P  •  3 months ago
      Talk about trying to make a story out of nothing.
    • J Mb  •  Troy, Michigan  •  3 months ago
      Us Detroit fans like to talk about ref conspiracies against Detroit, but let's be honest: the only conspiracy is from the other GMs. Detroit was interested in Grossman, Philadelphia bids higher. Detroit was interested in Kubina, Philadelphia bids higher again. Ken Holland had to get the player he wanted for a top ECHL level player struggling to make an AHL roster and a pick that probably wouldn't make the NHL for the next 4 years minimum for Detroit anyway.

      And by the way, Ken Holland doesn't do rentals. And with Kyle Quincey, the roster will be just fine if Brad Stuart decides to move on, and it won't be as bad if Lidstrom decides to retire on top.
    • nobusiness  •  San Diego, California  •  3 months ago
      Great insight (sarcasm), of course they didn't know or the trade would have been a straight 3 way deal instead of 2 separate deals.
    • Big Rich  •  New York, New York  •  3 months ago
      Downie's a turd

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