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    From Cam to RGIII, and the weird psychology of draft analysis

    Plays to the crowd. May not be serious enough. (Getty Images)

    If there's one undeniable fact people hopefully learned from Cam Newton's rookie season, it's that the NFL has morphed into something that will allow a quarterback who played nothing but two-digit spread offense in college to succeed wildly at the next level in a pretty big hurry. Newton's historic performances for the Carolina Panthers stood in especially sharp relief after a pre-draft process that had a lot of people picking him apart in ways that went beyond the football field.

    The selective bias was especially troubling because it happened at the same time so many were praising the game intelligence of TCU's Andy Dalton, who played his entire collegiate career in a single-read spread not unlike the one Newton thrived in at Auburn. Look at a picture of Newton next to Dalton and it isn't tough to figure out where that came from.

    In any case, things appear to be different (at least for now) in the case of Baylor superstar quarterback Robert Griffin III, who wants to be a lawyer someday and has shown nothing but intelligence and humility in his dealings with the media. Griffin may, in fact, actually sidestep the sometimes bizarre scrutiny Newton was subjected to before the 2011 Draft.

    Remember this?

    Very disingenuous — has a fake smile, comes off as very scripted and has a selfish, me-first makeup. Always knows where the cameras are and plays to them. Has an enormous ego with a sense of entitlement that continually invites trouble and makes him believe he is above the law — does not command respect from teammates and always will struggle to win a locker room. Only a one-year producer. Lacks accountability, focus and trustworthiness — is not punctual, seeks shortcuts and sets a bad example. Immature and has had issues with authority. Not dependable...

    Can provide an initial spark, but will quickly be dissected and contained by NFL defensive coordinators, struggle to sustain success and will not prove worthy of an early investment. An overhyped, high-risk, high-reward selection with a glaring bust factor, Newton is sure to be drafted more highly than he should and could foreclose a risk-taking GM's job and taint a locker room.

    Huh. Considering that Newton set a host of rookie records with Steve Smith as his only real weapon and Legedu Naanee as his #2 receiver, that supposed drop-off is going to be a real mother. Or, perhaps people need to look beyond the surface when evaluating quarterbacks at this point in time?

    And yes, I mean that just exactly the way you think I mean that.

    On a Wednesday media conference call, draft analyst Mike Mayock of the NFL Network took several questions about Mr. Griffin, and as much as Mayock's projections of players deal more with actual tape analysis instead of dime-store psychology, the talk was about what Griffin can do on the field -- and why he should be a lead-pipe lock to go in the first three picks.

    You're bringing up one of the most gifted kids in the last several years in this draft in Robert Griffin.  Is there some downside to Robert Griffin?  Yes, there is.  However, you probably have the  opportunity to move up and get him if you want him. To me, that is a pretty exciting proposition, to build your young franchise around maybe the  most exciting young player in this year's draft.

    I think as an organization, you say to  yourself, what do you want to be?  You're probably  a little bit more -- with [free agent quarterback Matt] Flynn, you're probably a little bit more saying we think we know what we're  getting there, and it's a more conventional-style NFL attack.  Versus with Griffin, grab hold of the seat of your pants and we're going for a ride.

    I love everything about the kid.  The question I have is that he doesn't throw with anticipation.  Mostly because he doesn't have to. In that offense, there is minimal foot work, and they spread it out so wide.  He's got some talented, gifted receivers, and he's got great touch and accuracy, medium and deep.  He's got arm strength.  He's got athletic ability.  He's tough. He takes hits.  But he doesn't anticipate throws.  He waits until they develop and then throws them.  Similar to what I said about [Texas A&M's Ryan] Tannehill earlier, similar thing.  Lot of college kids have it.

    My only question for him is will he develop that?  You won't find that at the combine.  I think where you're going to find it is throughout the process when teams meet with this kid and they sit down and put the tape on and break the tape down, they talk football and ask him what he sees or doesn't see.  I think that's part of the process of learning how much a quarterback knows today, and how quickly he picks up what you're trying to teach him.

    Bottom line, he's a playmaker.  That's what this league is all about at that position.

    Too brash. Too bold. May not be a team player. (Getty Images)Now, when Mayock talks about Griffin's inability to throw with anticipation (i.e., to throw a receiver open in a pre-determined area), he's not talking about Griffin's football intelligence or lack thereof. He's speaking of Griffin's collegiate career as the product of a spread system in which the guideline is to throw to the open receiver, not to throw the receiver open. It's a much larger schematic switch than the slight change in verbiage would have you believe.

    Tim Tebow's success with the Denver Broncos in 2011 was predicated to a large degree on plays that would get the first-read receiver open as quickly as possible. When teams adjusted to that notion, and closed that window, bad things happened. Tebow may be many things, but he ain't no dummy.

    Quarterbacking in the NFL is a long and laborious process. For just about anyone.

    Participates in unauthorized Tebowing. May not respect the NFL. (Getty Images)

    Newton's playmaking ability in college, and the fact that he flashed so many of those same attributes and liabilities through his own pre-draft journey, make me wonder if the analysts who follow Mayock into the breach this year (starting with next week's scouting combine) will take his example and talk about what they see in Robert Griffin III, and what he sees on the field. That, please. Not the manufactured wordbarf of a guy in a room who feels the need to scrape the bottom of the barrel because he wants to get a leg up on the other guys in rooms writing the same amateur scouting reports.

    I got to speak with Newton during Super Bowl week, and the only thing I'll say about his "character" is that I found him to be almost instantly defensive in facial expression and posture when I brought up his eventual mastery of Carolina's increasingly complicated playbook. Newton thought the question was going to go one way, and he relaxed only when he realized that I wasn't about to throw the same "How is it that YOU were able to succeed in the NFL" garbage his way. At this point, his gun-shy demeanor is perfectly understandable. I asked him about the stigma attached to so many quarterbacks, especially those who fit his physical characteristics, in the pre-draft process. What would he tell Robert Griffin III if he had five minutes to prep him for the experience?

    "Coming into this league, you've got to mix the good with the bad. You're never going to be sold on somebody [some people will not be sold on you], and you're never going to be good enough for a particular critic. One thing I would tell him, and Andrew Luck, and all the other quarterbacks, would be to just stay sane throughout the madness. Some people are going to think that you're the world, and some people are going to think that you're under the world. With [Griffin], with what he did, and with the Heisman Trophy, what he did in college was unbelievable. I'm a big fan of a lot of those guys. But that transition has to upgrade to bigger and better things. Just coming into the league, you have to be compatible and you have to try and learn more. And be more."

    Staying sane through the madness is possible, in part, relative to how sane the evaluators stay until Roger Goodell starts reading names off cards in the last week of April. In the meantime ... well, grab hold of the seat of your pants, Mr. Griffin. We're going for a ride.

    This time, let's hope the road is paved.

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    13 comments

    • EJ  •  Phoenix, Arizona  •  3 months ago
      I still cannot believe some people had Blaine Gabbert as the top pick LOL. Since when does 16td and 8 ints in the Big 12 get you a top pick?
    • XO  •  3 months ago
      It will always be hilarious to me that all the draft "experts" swore up and down that Blaine Gabbert was the best quarterback in the draft and much, much better and more pro-ready than Cam Newton.

      Keep that in mind as the draft experts assure you that Luck is already better than Peyton Manning and the greatest pro prospect of all time, and that RGIII is a "project" quarterback that will "struggle to adapt" to the pro game.
    • Kevin  •  Reno, Nevada  •  3 months ago
      The Browns bettter not mess this up! They are in the best position, and have the most assets, to make sure thy get RGIII. It is time to make a bold move and get a guy that will be an amazing player in the NFL for a decade or more.
    • cm  •  3 months ago
      I'll sum it up: there is an overwhelming bias against black elite spread quarterbacks and people will use really stupid things to knock them.
    • Taintastic  •  Chicago, Illinois  •  3 months ago
      Easy to figure out, some people just didn't like Cam and let that color their "thoughts" on his ability to PLAY, Has happened before, will happen again.
    • byron n  •  Houston, Texas  •  3 months ago
      For the first time on ANY Yahoo report I've replied on, I have to agree with ALL comments below. Its 2012, and "they" say we've entered a post-racial society..First who's THEY? Second what society is that? Cause it for #$%$ sure ain't here! Cam is a more athletic Andrew Luck..RGIII is a more polished passing Cam Newton..sooo what does that mean? Majority of 'fans', 'analysts', and 'experts' are STILL 'color-blind' and don't recognize, or want to ADMIT it..thank God (majority) of NFL coaches now aren't. RGIII should be the 1st pick in the draft, we'll see if what should happen actually does.
      • Dave R 3 months ago
        media has made it impossible for any team to pass on Luck... then they're going to crush the kid and franchise for "underachieving"
    • I of the Storm  •  Dallas, Texas  •  3 months ago
      I would love to hear whether Charley Casserly would pick Luck or RGIII. He had the stones to draft Mario Williams when the sports media had Reggie Bush slotted for Houston. And Casserly was right.
      • John 3 months ago
        The drawback to your comment though, I Of The Storm, is that Charlie "Genius" Casserly was also one of the most negative "analysts" last year with regard to Cam Newton. Hated him. Said is wouldn't use more than a 3rd round pick on Cam Newton. So don't give him too much credit for smarts.
    • UWnotUcon  •  3 months ago
      The only question I have about RG3 is can he take NFL hits constantly because chances are he goes to a team with a weak oline and he is going to start.
      • HenryDawg 3 months ago
        If he goes to the Browns he'll have to Pro Bowlers and a future HOFer to protect him. Add a RT and he'll be fine. Also, Griffin can take and avoid hits.
    • appalled  •  3 months ago
      Mayock is good at what he does, but he also said he would't teke Cam with the first pick. It was not from a bias but rather he said he felt his information on Cam's personality was incomplete.
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      He did say that if Cam had his priorities in order he would be a draft steal even if take first because he had all the tools and them some but Mayock was concerned with the lack of long term resume. He admitted that Cam and everybody around him said the right things, but he felt there was't enough to go on other than the statements of Cam's inner circle..
    • BossMan  •  3 months ago
      Oh, come on Uncle Doug... tell us the story of how they are going to shut down football... how the NFL is just not big enough to take care of itself... come on Doug... pleeeeeease???!!

      Fuggin' retard!! SHUT DOWN THIS CORNER!!
    • Donald  •  Ville Platte, Louisiana  •  3 months ago
      Mr.RGlll gona be another Vince Young from texas all mouth and showoff in other words ME ME i'm it hope he proves me wrong
      • Midwestern Values where h ... 3 months ago
        What makes you say that, he is not one of those egomanic rookie do it alls, but has intelligents and the motivation it takes to learn and is very coachable, Rg3 and VY are like night and day difference you know nothing about the character of this man, if anything about coming up in a Military family is disciplined upbringing and RG3 is no exception, you should before judging someone before they have stepped on a football field ,you man should back up and wait and see.
        I and about 80,000 other fans in my city wish this draft choice was ours and our team give are take a player are two would be complete and ready to go to the next step for maybe a decade and a half. i guess i could say one mans junk is anothers treasure.
      • Midwestern Values where h ... 3 months ago
        The media is who started the whole character thing, anything to keep mess going rather yahoo, or shutdown corner these people are suppose to know a small bit about football and players and most of the time its a repeat from another pubication , most of the writers are plain ignorant and fools. Cam Newton will never amount to nothing they said until he started marching Carolina down the field and scoring TD's and running for others with no problems in the locker room are public image, just doing the job of and NFL starting Quarterback Elite should say All pro in his first year.
      • Doug 3 months ago
        RGIII isn't like Vince Young in any way except the fact he's black and runs well when he wants to. Vince is as dumb as a box of rocks, RGIII could be in law school right now. RGIII is ten times the passer Vince is. RGIII won't ever get in trouble at a strip club. RGIII isn't the type to screw around and let his talent go to waste. And lastly RGIII has more discipline in his left pinky than Young has in his entire body. Like the guy above me said, you don't exactly get to screw around in a military family. If my Rams didn't have Bradford I would love for them to draft him.
    • Elijah  •  3 months ago
      Cam is the best quarterback of his generation. He has all the physical talent AND the drive to improve, learn and master his craft.

      That's what the analysts get wrong. They assume because a lot of guys with talent coast on their physical gifts that Cam would do the same, when he is exactly the opposite. He has Peyton Manning's brain, Tom Brady's heart, Aaron Rodgers' confidence, Michael Vick's playmaking flair, Drew Brees' humility and character, and it's all wrapped up into an incalculably gifted physical body. I can't wait to watch this kid year in and year out.
      • urbanlegendsrg 3 months ago
        humility? Really? I could say that about RG3, but now about Newton.
      • EJ 3 months ago
        I don't think there is anything wrong with Newton saying that he wants to win. His competitiveness often damages the opportunity for people to see that he is a humble kid. Just like that article when he was unhappy about the lack of drive his teammates had after losses. It is clear that this kid hates to lose and thats all some of his teammates have done on the Panthers in the NFL. They have to invoke a culture change, but it should handled in the locker room. Not in the media. That was his one mistake since he has entered the NFL
      • Groovymack3 3 months ago
        I agree with most things you said,but humility, I think you got that one wrong. Guess you didn't keep track of his exploits in college.
    • Scroo this  •  Washington, District of Columbia  •  3 months ago
      Luck excels in a pro-style offense at Stanford, while Griffin plays in a spread offense that rarely translates to the NFL. That's why Luck is a better prospect.

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