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    Dr. Saturday

    Kellen Moore, big man on campus, is back to being the little guy

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    Like any good system for sorting and classifying large amounts of information, the NFL's scouting process begins with a template — a broad set of probabilities that form baseline assumptions — and revises as necessary in specific cases. One of the basic templates for pro quarterbacks, for example, is "tall": Only five QBs currently listed on an NFL roster are listed at 6-feet or shorter, and only two (Drew Brees and Michael Vick) are starters. Only one (Cleveland backup Seneca Wallace) is listed at 5-foot-11, and he brings the added value of being able to line up at wide receiver.

    No one is about to mistake Kellen Moore for a potential receiver. But as the Idaho Statesman writes today, after measuring in a hair under six feet this week at the Senior Bowl, the winningest quarterback in the history of big-time college football has a little convincing to do:

    "It's one of those deals where I've been this height probably since I was a freshman in high school. I went through it from high school to college and I'll go through it again," Moore said, "and if someone says I'm too short, smile at 'em and maybe remember the name. … If you can move the ball down the field, they'll let you play."
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    Coaches from the Redskins and Minnesota Vikings, who are leading the two Senior Bowl teams, agree with Moore.

    But they also say height has its advantages — and it takes a player with special skills to overcome a deficiency there.

    buffett.jpgFor almost all of the 6-foot-or-shorter signal-callers drafted since 2000, the "special skill" that (theoretically) allowed them compensate for their height was mobility, which has proven to be the case for Vick and Wallace and will likely be the deciding factor if the pedestrian Moore is passed over in April for Wisconsin's Russell Wilson, who came in at just 5-10 at the Senior Bowl but makes up for it with demonstrable athleticism that Moore demonstrably lacks. Even Drew Brees was considered fairly mobile coming out of Purdue, and clearly had a big-league arm that Moore also seems to lack. The "eyeball test" alone is likely to drop him into the sixth or seventh round, behind a handful of prototypical pocket slingers — Nick Foles, Brock Osweiler, Ryan Lindley, Kirk Cousins — whose college resumés are just a shadow of Moore's.

    But then, we've heard that before. The skills that Moore shares with Brees are the hardest to measure, the hardest to explain and probably the most important: He's smart, he's accurate and he has a kind of sixth sense in the pocket that helped him finish as one of the least-sacked quarterbacks in the nation four years in a row. (I can't separate Moore's numbers, individually, but as a team Boise State allowed 33 sacks in 1,829 pass attempts from 2008-11, or roughly one for every 55 dropbacks.) He has the same elusive Jedi quality that's going to put Brees in the Hall of Fame.

    At least, he did at Boise State, which didn't exactly put him up against the créme de la créme of college defenses on a weekly basis. Against the relatively heavy-hitting units he did face — TCU in 2009, Virginia Tech in 2010, Georgia and TCU last year — he was quietly, lethally efficient, but in a steady, within-the-offense kind of way that didn't stand out until you looked at the box score. With the rare exception, he doesn't make the kind of transcendent plays that make you think, "I don't care how tall he is, this kid is a player." He sneaks up on you.

    When it comes to skeptical draftniks, though, the problem is that there is very little time to chip away at the assumptions, and some of the opportunities that do exist — running an unfamiliar offense in the Senior Bowl, or getting poked, pinched and prodded at the combine — don't necessarily play to Moore's savvy precision, especially when one bad day can send your stock plummeting. Neither does being funneled directly into a backup role as a sixth or seventh-rounder. If Moore is a viable pro, his window for proving it

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    33 comments

    • Jason  •  21 days ago
      Sorry, Kellen, but if Boise State actually played some top tier teams you might get some respect. When your team doesn't play anyone of note, it makes it very hard to get NFL teams to notice you. Until Boise State and TCU play top teams, with NFL caliber players, there is no way they will ever get credit for their winning percentage.... Thats why they don't ever put them in the National Championship game, cuz they would get beaten badly.
      • Bluto Blutarski 18 days ago
        Jason is right....in kellen moore's 4 years at boise state how many top 25 ranked teams did they play REGULAR season?.......6.....thats right SIX!....that's an average of 1.5 per YEAR!.....yet they bellyached about bcs!
    • Myemailtimattimothysykesd ...  •  Indianapolis, Indiana  •  22 days ago
      He is the most overrated ugliest looking horse tooth jackhole I've ever seen. Boise State sucks and Kellen Moore will be the next Ryan Leaf.
    • pinkeye  •  Toronto, Canada  •  22 days ago
      The list above, after 2000, doesn't consider 6 ft, 190 lb Fran Tarkenton. 50-3 isn't an accident. I'm not a vegas man but I would never bet against a winner. In comparison, Barry Sanders was a puny running back. 6 ft linebacker--can you say mike singletary, and how about 5' 10" walter payton. And as for looks, how'bout "Mr. Ed", John Elway. I hope you like crow!!!
    • Myemailtimattimothysykesd ...  •  Indianapolis, Indiana  •  22 days ago
      I wonder if he can shut his mouth completely with those chompers
    • Anthony Popovich  •  2 months ago
      Moore could easily be the centerpiece of a dominant NFL team; dominant like the SF 49er's were with Montana. To do this the NFL team that drafts Moore needs to build a solid, NFL top-notch offensive line. Protect Moore, and you've got a recipe for domination. And multiple Super Bowl Championships. Moore could be absolutely, hands-down, the best passer in the NFL. The things they are saying as to what limits Moore in the NFL are the same things that were said of Montana. Not mobile enuf. Not big enuf. etc. Not tall enuf. Well, 4 Super Bowls later SF showed the NFL how you dominate your competition. Moore reminds me of Montana on many levels. He has that something you just can't coach, or teach. In the clutch he's stellar. Just go back & view the Va Tech -Boise State game. That is not lucky Moore on that last drive to win the game. That is vintage Moore. If you're an NFL owner you have to know that in those situations it'd be unusual for Moore to NOT win. Moore never folds, never chokes. He keeps coming at you. He lifts his entire team psychologically. I moved to Oregon from Florida. I've seen a LOT of SEC football. I've seen some Pac-12 football. Moore, Luck, Robert Griffin 3rd are the best QB's this year. But which one do I think could carry a franchise on his back? Kellen Moore. God help the league if some team builds around Moore. He has the potential to be a Hall of Fame (multiple) SuperBowl Champion. I have not watched as much of Boise State as I would have liked. And no, I'm not an Oregon Ducks fan. I'm a Florida & Michigan alumnus. I think Moore would give any SEC team nightmares on how to prep for him. Just ask Mark Richt (Georgia). BTW Moore ate the Oregon Ducks alive.
    • Ricardo  •  Salt Lake City, Utah  •  3 months ago
      His window for proving it....what?
    • steve  •  Knoxville, Tennessee  •  3 months ago
      I think he will be a steal in the late rounds if not a starter a good NFL back up same size Brees was when he first entered the league the kid has accuracy inst that what everyones been #$%$ about this year
    • gordo  •  Boise, Idaho  •  3 months ago
      Montana was a 6 on a ten scale, week arm, etc. Brady - not mobile, too skinny, etc. And Dr Saturday - Moore never snuck up on anybody...he beat them senseless. Ask Georgia, whom he shredded. You talk about one bad day....Moore has NEVER had a bad day. Even with strange play calling and an unfamiliar playbook, he was still the steadiest QB at the Senior Bowl. Not hsi fault they called 3 running plays after he lead an 8 minute drive to kill the clock and had first and goal at the 9. How many times did Luck beat Oregon? Never. Moore beat them twice...like a drum. Look at the tape of the 60 yard TD's to Young and Pettis and Burroughs. This year he did not have break away receivers...so he altered the plan and shredded EVERYONE anyway. Get off the bandwagon, be a professional.
      • .wildcat60 3 months ago
        Yeah, the kid Moore from Mayberry should get a chance at the NFL...
      • Jeannie C 3 months ago
        Yes, he should, Wildcat. What are your stats and where in the world is Doylestown, anyway??
      • Coltnoir 3 months ago
        how about that TCU game this season, where the Refs tried to give him to him, yet he still lost it for them. Moore is terrible.
    • Scharnhorst  •  San Diego, California  •  3 months ago
      The winninginest against cupcake opponents. if he played in a real conference, he wouldn't have won half as many games.
      • pinkeye 22 days ago
        Oregon, Va Tech, Georgia, Oklahoma.........How ya like those cupcakes sports fans
      • Scharnhorst 22 days ago
        USC dominated all of those teams except Oregon. USC would have scored 60 in Noise State by half time. You clowns knew better than to schedule them despite the TWO times USC offered.
      • Jason 21 days ago
        Uh, pinkeye, Boise State only played 1 of those kinds of teams each year..... The rest are junk opponents...
    • PDX2010  •  3 months ago
      Moore's OK, that's it. He's not bad, but not great. His "winningest QB" moniker is only given in title but not in spirit. His collection of wins came via Boise St. playing 90% "cupcake scrimmages" over the duration of his college football career. He hasn't taken repeated hits from elite level defensive backs. This is not entirely his fault, but he did CHOOSE to play where he played, and when he plays in a league (NFL) with elite level players and more parity among teams, he WILL break.
      • ESPNSUX 3 months ago
        He sure never took any hits from the ducks... and you kid your self in so many ways... BSU beat the same teams you clowns schedule in the OOC only his team beat them by and average of 25pts... your teams OOC record against the same teams has you clowns only beating them by an average of 5 pts... and none of you AQ teams ever beat Moore... parity arrived a long time ago you just had your head in your dumper and never noticed.... idiot Duck
      • 23 3 months ago
        Another idiot on the fray. Actually only 2 schools offered him a scholarship and Boise saw the diamond in the rough.
      • PDX2010 3 months ago
        ESPNSUX, why are you talking about the Ducks?
    • Lone Coyote  •  Goliad, Texas  •  3 months ago
      Moore has been a great college qb. That doesn't equate into the pros, but he does deserve a chance. Case Keenum should also be given a chance. He has more physical talent than Moore, is a pinpoint passer, and most of all has a real head for the game and what's going on around him (like Moore). I'd stake my team on one of these guys rather than some tall "air head" who throws missils. Both Keenum and Moore are bright students of the game, but Keenum is my pick for pure talent in all areas.
    • Harlin  •  Lafayette, Louisiana  •  3 months ago
      I think coach Pete will make him a coach.
    • EJ  •  Phoenix, Arizona  •  3 months ago
      I would give this kid a chance. They won some big games at Boise
      • PDX2010 3 months ago
        He played cupcakes for 90% of his college career. He'll break as soon as he plays a full schedule of games where he takes genuine hits from REAL and relentless defensive tackles.
    • 23  •  3 months ago
      Big man on Campus? The writer certainly doesn't know Moore. This guy appreciates those around him. Coming from Boise, I do believe he'll be a good backup fro a few years. His real calling is coaching and he'll be a brilliant coach.
    • Chris  •  3 months ago
      Everyone always brings up Drew Brees when talking about short QBs. It's obvious though that there are more Stephan LeFors out there than not. Drew Brees is the exception to the rule, not the reason to look at short QBs equally.
    • Gregory  •  Lexington Park, Maryland  •  3 months ago
      Funny this is that Kellen is okay with all of this. He'll find his way - he is a winner.
    • WISCO  •  Milwaukee, Wisconsin  •  3 months ago
      Green Bay will take Kellen Moore in the later rounds. He will be a great piece to backup Aaron Rodgers in the coming years. Moore has the ability to find open receivers and is elusive in the pocket. With a big deep core of WRs in Green Bay, Moore could be a solid backup in the case that Rodgers goes down. We know Matt Flynn will get picked up this year by another team. GB will no doubt add a QB in the later rounds, a pure passer who is proven to be able to find receivers, no one has done that better than Moore.
    • Milton Stapler  •  3 months ago
      Late second round, early third round pick. I think he would fit perfect with the JETS. Rex, you better be listening if he's still on the board late second.
    • COACH  •  Big Lake, Alaska  •  3 months ago
      Enough of the HillBilly Rednecks of the SEC. Get over yourselves, Go back and look at the schedules.. Kent St., Elon????, N.Texas, Tenn.-Martin, Samford, to name a few... Week in week out? Really, Vandy thats a power house Ole Miss????Yer over hyped. Play Oregon again later in the season, completely different game.... Fans of different conferences can at least give credit when/where credit is due. Your conference is the ONLY bennafactor in this dollar first scandolous BCS system... Super conferences with a playoff scheme, and let the SEC play with themselves!
    • SCI  •  Sioux Falls, South Dakota  •  3 months ago
      Joe Montana Jr. He will surprise just as Joe did.