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    The Phoenix Suns refuse to dismantle their team because of … we can’t tell

    Grant Hill and Steve Nash attempt to figure out what's going on (Getty Images)

    Anyone who has ever enjoyed an NBA game in their entire life, save for those who don't currently rank the Phoenix Suns as their favorite team, would prefer the Suns trade their impressive group of nice guys and incredibly intelligent basketball minds to various teams in order to enrich the league as a whole. That is to say, "please trade Steve Nash, Grant Hill, and Jared Dudley. You don't need them, jerks."

    To which the Suns reply, "We're good, thanks." Citing the fact that "blowing up" (their phrase) a team can go terribly wrong if luck and the wrong hands are at the helm, the Suns are going to rest on their laurels as the 13th seed in the Western Conference, on pace for what would typically be a 33-win season.

    This is to say that they're not exactly blowing anything great up should they decide to blow it up. Much in the same way I wouldn't be blowing up my 1996 Dodge Stratus that doesn't start, save for the fact that it's painted a gorgeous British Racing Green and has an original acetate recording of John Lennon and Paul McCartney's first meeting at the Woolton Fete hidden in the trunk.

    Here's Paola Boivin with the lowdown, from the Arizona Republic:

    The organization has no interest in a full-scale "blowing up" of the team, because its research shows that process can take from eight to 10 years and it has no interest in waiting that long.

    It believes a return to being an elite team will come from better drafting, wise personnel moves via trades and free agency, and taking advantage of the significant amount of salary-cap space it will have available next season.

    "Our goal is to transition back to elite status," [Suns owner Robert] Sarver said, "and to get there sooner than later."

    The column goes on to point toward a list of failed rebuilding attempts by various NBA teams, with varying contexts.

    Robert Sarver and GM Lon Babby aren't wrong, in this regard, to be hesitant in light of what's gone wrong in the past. But what's happening right now isn't right. On an aesthetic level, on a karmic level, on any level. No, I don't smoke anything but the occasional cigar.

    There is no skeleton key to a perfect rebuilding project. Some of the finest basketball minds in the business, from the bottom to the toppermost of the poppermost, have failed miserably without luck and timing on their side. Some of the finest basketball minds in the business have succeeded to wild ends due to a wonderful confluence of luck and timing. There really isn't much of a go-to plan, and we can completely understand Sarver and Babby's hesitancy.

    This can't be a plan, though, for Phoenix. This isn't good, for anyone. A bit of posturing has to be put in place before you slowly slide into dispersing parts of your below-average team, we understand, but the end of this particular run needs to come sooner rather than later. A lot of different, terrible, things can happen when you jump out of a sinking ship.

    Jump out of the ship, mates.

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    20 comments

    • Anonymous  •  Panama City, Florida  •  3 months ago
      I'm confused... Steve Nash is still the best offensive point guard in the league (statistically) and Gortat should really be the backup center in the All Star game (he has better stats all the way around than Gasol). Morris looks to have a bright future and is even playing in the whatever the hell the rookie-sophomore game is called now. The combo of Dudley/Frye while not fantastic have been pretty serviceable. And our resident defensive "BAMF," Mr. Hill is still getting the toughest assignment every night. Call me crazy, but that's a pretty #$%$ good team we're talking about "blowing up." Granted, the record sux right now, but that's primarily because the bench hasn't been much help, and that (maybe?) might be because the new guys (Brown, Telfair) didn't have an off-season or any actual practices with the team before they were thrown in the mix. So maybe it's not the players at all.Yes, Grant is old. Yes, Steve is old. But remember, Grant lost almost 5 whole years with injuries, and Steve was a backup for his first few years. So, both actually have logged waaaay less miles on their Chuck Taylors than, say Kobe? Grant was drafted in '94 and Steve and Kobe were in the same draft class of '96. And Kobe though younger because he was drafted out of high school, has played way more minutes than either player. So, I guess it's time to blow up the Lakers too. If Steve Nash wasn't 38, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.I'm just saying...
      • seandallen 3 months ago
        Excellent post. Besides, it's not like Sarver makes encouraging or logical moves to begin with.
    • Alex  •  San Francisco, California  •  3 months ago
      Owners dont want to trade nash because he is such a fan favorite
    • hong k  •  Shenzhen, China  •  3 months ago
      "...It believes a return to being an elite team will come from better drafting, wise personnel moves via trades and free agency,..." Uhhhhh when have the Suns ever been successful in that area?
      • Rohan 2 months ago
        they did sign that one Steve Nash guy. Drafted Amar'e Stoudemire and Shawn Marion at the #9 slot. drafted Barbosa late in the first. More recently, Markieff Morris at 13 was a great pick, and the Gortat deal has proven to be a success. The Suns are the 4th winningest franchise in the NBA by %, someone somewhere has to be doing something right.
    • Chillin  •  Tempe, Arizona  •  3 months ago
      We can understand Dwyer's comments if we remember that if analysts granted that empirical research carried more weight than gut feelings for decision making, then most analysts should have little role in shaping our opinions. Minimizing the role of evidence is a tactic common not only to climate change deniers and those who claim vaccines are bad, but sports as well.

      A better analysis would be to question the Suns' research, and hinting at the possibility of outliers to a general rule is not enough.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  Madison, Wisconsin  •  3 months ago
      The Suns have 8 expiring contracts, including Nash and Hill. Anybody trading for either of those guys would be looking to dump salary beyond this season and stick Phoenix with bad contracts in the process. I wouldn't do that either. If they right trade came along, they would absolutely do it, but that isn't going to happen. The Suns have some of the best trainers in the NBA and are the primary reason those guys have been able to prolong their careers. Neither one has a whole lot of value on another team, especially Hill. Hill will likely retire, Nash will be back on a 2-3 year deal for substantially less money, and the front office will enjoy the cap space in free agency. They may not make the biggest splash, but they'll spend it wisely and if there is a player or two they really want, they will get them.
      • Bk2Az 3 months ago
        No they won't. Their owners are stingy and management is not smart. Steve Kerr was the best thing to happen to that franchise (other than the obviously horrific decision to sign Shaq) in a long time. And it really doesn't matter that Hill and Nash have prolonged their careers, because it's not doing a lick of good for the success of the team. Remember, they play in a very loaded Western Conference. It's not enough to simply make it to the playoffs...you should want to have a legit shot at going all the way. Right now there is NO WAY they can compete in a series with ANY of the top 5 or 6 teams.
    • B L  •  3 months ago
      Why everyone always want to trade players? The biggest thing for Suns is the coach. They are mediocre coaches and have no clue how to train these talents to play like a team. Look all the players they traded, they are all good in other teams. Think about it.
    • David Hammond  •  Tucson, Arizona  •  3 months ago
      Sarver wants the cheapest running team he can possibly afford, and will trade any picks away for cash, as history has shown.
      • Bk2Az 3 months ago
        YOU ARE RIGHT ON POINT!!! and that's the mentality that has the Suns' franchise in a tailspin.
      • Rohan 2 months ago
        that is simply not true. Sarver has increased payroll throughout his tenure as owner. Has he sold some draft picks? yes. Was the Kurt Thomas trade done purely for financial reasons? yes. But the Shaq deal added 10 million in cap space, Nash and Hill have constantly been re-signed, and a very fair deal for Stoudemire was offered. He also re-signed Boris Diaw, Frye, Jared etc. And signed Childress to a huge contract thinking he was the missing piece. Was he/the FO wrong in some of these deals? sure. But calling Sarver a miser is simply not true, and shows ignorance and laziness to just buy into media perception. The Suns under sarver were 12th overall in salary spent. How is that running the 'cheapest team he can possible afford'
    • jpg  •  Manila, Philippines  •  3 months ago
      let d'antoni have nash for lin. hill to the wolves for wes johnson. don't forget to trade those horrible contracts (childress, etc.) too sarver and babby.
    • Peanut Noir  •  3 months ago
      Steve Nash and Grant Hill, NBA first ballot Hall of Famers, should have the opportunity to finish their careers on championship caliber teams. In exchange, the Suns should be able to get first rate talent and be in the hunt themselves within two seasons. Years ago, the Suns traded their superstar forward Larry Nance to Cleveland for three unknowns: Kevin Johnson, Ty Corbin and Mark West. They had some money available and signed Tom Chambers, then the leading shooting forward in the game, and had a long string of 50+ winning seasons. The Suns just have to have confidence in their scouting and coaching to make it happen all over again.
    • Jimmy  •  Abbotsford, Canada  •  3 months ago
      Jimmy Saville - namechecked. Good one.
    • AlfredY  •  Santa Clara, California  •  3 months ago
      Other than "why won't they blow it up", is there a suggestion? It's not a matter of will, it's a matter of options.
      In a center-deprived league, Hornets can't sell a 29 year old proven center with an expiring contract for a pick; what can a 40 year old small forward with an expiring contract or a 38 year old point guard with an expiring contract fetch? No better than a crappy contract and a late 1st rounder. And some fan revolt.
      Okay, "young" players. Warrick? 30 year old with a bad 4 year contract. Frye? 29 with a bad 4 year contract. Josh Childress? Look at how much he's getting paid. Dudley is 27 with a decent contract; he's an 7/8th guy on a good team, he can fetch a late 1st round pick. Gortat is the only guy with any trade value, what will he fetch? Prospect and a mid-1st round pick?
    • John C  •  Phoenix, Arizona  •  3 months ago
      maybe deron williams and dwight howard are comming to phoenix and steve nash and grant hill are gonna resign for low salaries and gortat will move to power foward.... yea im high...
    • S  •  Phoenix, Arizona  •  3 months ago
      HUGE fan of Steve Nash, but just do not know why he should stay with this team!! Go take a shot at winning a ring Stevie, no-one would blame you, and a few draft picks extra would do just fine.
    • don-nash  •  Manila, Philippines  •  3 months ago
      trade NASH and HILL to the Orlando Magic!!!! for sure they'll win it all this year!!!
      let these great players get their deserved championship rings!!!
    • Reppin 4rm Big D to Jrzy  •  3 months ago
      feel sorry for Arizona people, some of the worst owners. First the Bidwells then the D'Backs losing Johnson and Schilling then the Coyotes being in relocation talks for what seems the 5th year now and now Sarver letting Steve Kerr destroy a perennial contender and now keeps Nash trapped on a 30 win team in his final years
    • Bk2Az  •  3 months ago
      the problem here is that Phx Suns ownership and management have been historically stingy with a side of bad decision making skills. it was by luck that they managed to land Barkley to play alongside of Kevin Johnson in the 90s (not that it mattered). Being an AZ resident now, I've come to notice that the fans here are unfortunately satisfied with mediocrity...and so is the front office. They seem to believe that those few years they had with coach (no D) Antoni were successful. And even though they FAILED to make it passed San Antonio ANY of those years, the fans are satisfied.
      The fans here would rather have a 50 yr old Steve Nash running the point than a 25 year old CP3. The fact that they claim "blowing up" a team will take up to 10 years to manifest into anything (perhaps 9th place in the west), is a testament to the lack of confidence they have in their ability to make a half decent trade.
      This franchise is doomed to be mediocre at best.
    • Bk2Az  •  3 months ago
      I don't mean to offend anyone...and to some of you, don't think i'm a Suns hater just because I'm from NY. All i've been basically trying to say is sometimes you have to take risks to be successful. Steve Nash and Grant Hill will both go down as great ambassadors of the game, but realistically speaking, you have to ask yourself...how long is TOO LONG to hold on to a player? The likelyhood of obtaining a PG with Nash-like skills may seem bleek, but you will never know if you don't make a move.
      That's where ownership and management need to step it up and be reasonable. There is NO REASON for them to think they can remain elite right now. The West is loaded with immensely talented teams that have been together for a while. To be honest, I don't know how the Suns will land that star player that can attract or encourage another star to come here...not with Nash on the way out. So, Where and How does Sarver intend to get the players to build an elite team if he doesn't "BLOW UP" this current team??? If I'm wrong then fine...ANYONE please feel free to explain to me.
    • jedr  •  3 months ago
      Huge Suns Fan and Nash Fan , as badly as I want to see Nash in a Suns uni, it is beyond time to part ways. We had a great run with Nash. But as a fan I am awe struck by how many times the front office of the suns made a bone headed decision and yet again they are doing it again. They can help Nash and the team by making a trade now and getting something of value for him.
    • barnacle bill  •  Greensboro, North Carolina  •  3 months ago
      If you can't tell, keep it to yourself...
    • John C  •  Phoenix, Arizona  •  3 months ago
      what? Sarver is hoping for this years future free agents.... there really aren't any....lol... deron williams maybe.... but whose he going to play with on Phoenix.... lol... what?

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