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    Scout’s take: What can we expect from Yu Darvish?

    Yu Darvish at the 2009 World Baseball Classic (Getty Images)

    So the Texas Rangers have decided that the next six years of Yu Darvish's pitching career are worth something like $111.7 million, a remarkable number for a player with no major league experience. The Rangers submitted a record $51.7 posting bid, then inked Darvish to a six-year deal worth $60 million ($56 million guaranteed). You'll find a year-by-year contract breakdown right here, if you care about such things.

    Darvish's price tag isn't much of a concern in the fantasy community, except as an indication of the team's expectations. When a club invests nine figures in a pitcher, they generally expect an ace. Darvish has been almost impossibly good over the past five seasons in Japan — in fact, each year has been better than Daisuke Matsuzaka's best, better than Hiroki Kuroda, better than Colby Lewis.

    Just check the stats, 2007-'11:

    2007, age 20 — 15-5, 1.82 ERA, 0.828 WHIP, 207.2 IP, 210 Ks, 49 BB, 9 HR
    2008, age 21 — 16-4, 1.88 ERA, 0.897 WHIP, 200.2 IP, 208 Ks, 44 BB, 11 HR
    2009, age 22 — 15-5, 1.73 ERA, 0.896 WHIP, 182.0 IP, 167 Ks, 45 BB, 9 HR
    2010, age 23 — 12-8, 1.78 ERA, 1.015 WHIP, 202.0 IP, 222 Ks, 47 BB, 5 HR
    2011, age 24 —18-6, 1.44 ERA, 0.828 WHIP, 232.0 IP, 276 Ks, 36 BB, 5 HR

    Ridiculous. That's absolute mastery by any standard. Darvish posted a sub-2.00 ERA in back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back years, a Walter Johnson-level feat. Of course the hitting talent Darvish faced during that five-year stretch was nothing like what he'll find in MLB, but, well ... he destroyed the league. Exactly how much better do you think anyone else could have pitched? Matsuzaka never delivered a sub-2.00 ERA in Japan, nor did Lewis (2.68 in 2008, 2.96 in '09). Kuroda did it once, then posted a 3.56 ERA and 1.213 WHIP in 2007, his final season with Hiroshima.

    So, just to be clear: Yu Darvish is very good.

    Still, this is not the simplest player to rank for fantasy purposes, because he's making an enormous leap in terms of quality of competition. Darvish was excellent at the 2009 World Baseball Classic, closing out the final two games against the U.S. and Korea, but he only tossed 13.0 innings in the tournament (2.08 ERA, 1.00 WHIP, 20 Ks). In 2012, he'll pitch in an extremely hitter-friendly home park, in the DH league. That streak of 1.00-something ERAs is about to end.

    Most of us have only seen Darvish's work on video — here's an impressive clip, complete with Tuffy Rhodes cameo — or perhaps you caught a few innings of the WBC. But it's tough to forecast a player's performance based only on snapshots and highlights. I recently discussed Darvish's potential with an international MLB scout who's seen the 6-foot-5 right-hander pitch a few times, over multiple seasons. These were his thoughts (paraphrased, because my man is a little paranoid)...

    On Darvish's pitching arsenal: He leans on the fastball, slider and fork, plus he'll mix in a slow, MLB-quality curve. And he'll change speeds. And his cutter was described as "filthy." It's a deep repertoire, and every pitch should transition reasonably well to the big leagues.

    On his mental/physical readiness: Darvish made legit strides in 2011, adding strength, taking a more aggressive approach with hitters. (Note the jump in K-rate and the decline in walks). In the past he's been criticized for nibbling, for throwing too many pitches. In 2011, he was clearly focused on making the leap to the next level. There's risk associated with any change in routine, plus he'll be pitching on less rest, but there are no significant known injuries here.

    [Fantasy Freak Show: Brandon Funston and Brad Evans discuss Yu Darvish's fantasy value for 2012]

    On the quality of play in NPB: The scout noted that players who bat in the bottom-third of lineups in Japan are essentially automatic outs for the league's best pitchers. No hitter in the league is accustomed to seeing great movement or high velocity. (Darvish's fastball typically sits in the low-to-mid-90s). There's been some talk about the low home run totals allowed by Darvish — only five in 232.0 innings last season — but it's important to recognize that NPB actually changed its baseball in 2011, killing power numbers. Chiba Lotte, as a team, hit only 46 homers last season in 144 games. No team hit less than 91 the previous season, and Chiba Lotte hit 126.

    On comps for Darvish: The two names he offered were Zack Greinke and Matt Garza, so that's plenty encouraging. When I tossed out a fairly aggressive projection — 3.50 ERA, 1.20 WHIP, 8.0 K/9 — he basically signed off on the numbers, though he put Darvish's strikeout rate in the 7.0-8.0 range.

    Bottom line: Based on everything I've read and seen, and after hearing from a guy who's scouted him, I'm prepared to take Darvish ahead of his current ADP (124.6 at Mock Draft Central). He could be particularly useful in the early months of the season, while the league writes and rewrites his scouting report. Darvish fell to Round 11 in the FSTA draft last week, the 36th starter off the board — one pick after Ian Kennedy, one ahead of Wandy Rodriguez. To me, that seems like a steal. The home park won't do Darvish many favors, but run support shouldn't be an issue, and he'll see plenty of Seattle and Oakland. When it's time to rank the starters, I'll slot Darvish somewhere in the high-teens, which apparently means I'll own him everywhere.

    Too high? Too low? Recklessly irresponsible?

    Feel free to offer a forecast in comments. Let's please try to have all Yu issues resolved before the first draft room is launched...

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    45 comments

    • Eugene K  •  Tokyo, Japan  •  4 months ago
      When Matsuzaka or Kuroda were still pitching in Japan, they were using so called "Rabbit Balls", baseballs that carry a lot more than baseballs Darvish and other pitchers of his era have been using. They introduced such low resilience baseballs around 2005 after Dice-k or Kuroda had gone to the Major League when Darvish became professional.

      Last season, they enforced the complete adoption of baseballs with very "low resilience" for all the games, which helped lower ERAs for pitchers quite a bit and lots of guys earned ERAs below 2.00. Batters struggled as evidenced in # of HRs and teams played small baseballs.

      BTW, Darvish didn't win any category for pitchers last season in Japan.

      The bottom line is it makes no sense to compare the ERAs of Dice-k, Kuroda or any JP pitchers who played before mid 2000 to that of Darv or any pitchers post 2005 or so.
      • john s 3 months ago
        i think he won the shutout category last year with 6.
      • Lee Majors 3 months ago
        Tanaka and Darvish really separated from the rest of the starters in the Pacific League last year. (The scout I spoke with did not put Tanaka near Darvish's class). It looks to me like Yu led all starters in Ks, K/9, WHIP, IP and shutouts, and he finished just behind Tanaka in ERA. Also appears that league-wide scoring dropped by over a run/game from 2010 to 2011.

        If you look back over the past five seasons, Darvish is at or near the top of the key pitching cat's every year. It's not as if the entire league puts up these numbers. I will concede the point about comparing to stats from 7-10 years ago, though, because that's always tricky.
      • Lee Majors 3 months ago
        ...also, Lewis pitched in Japan in '08 and '09, plus Kuroda was there in '07. Darvish was pretty clearly better in those seasons. Tried to select guys with overlapping careers.
    • Rich Pino  •  New York, New York  •  3 months ago
      Darvish will probably be overdrafted in every league. In fact, his ADP right now is probably overvalued because people who like him a lot will overpick him. I like him as a player but I'm expecting the price to sharply go up as we progress towards the Spring. I also expect big Spring Training numbers which will also drive up his price. I agree that he should start off hot, and probably have a drop off by the end of the year. I would draft him if he's forgotten and no manager reaches out for him, but I wouldn't personally reach for him.
    • John  •  3 months ago
      Sure Japan baseball is basically equivalent to AAA here, but those are sick AAA numbers. Beyond sick really. 5 years of straight of under 2 era and the Dude is only 25. How many TOPRs here in the MLB do you think could put up those #s at his age in Japan? I'd guess none, because every TORP in the MLB would've gotten shelled at age 20 in Japan. At worst, Darvish is going to be very very good. Not under 2 era grat, but still great, and like any great pitcher his age, he'll get even better in the next few years.
    • Josh  •  3 months ago
      I'm pretty sure that Japanese league players don't hit the long ball as well as most MLB clubs, but that being said, If his ERA increases by 1.0 he is still going to be a great player.

      Rangers possible starters...

      Darvish
      Holland
      Lewis
      Ogando/Feliz
      Harrison/Feldman

      If Feldman can maintain his momentum from last year and return to his 2009 form, he could easily be 2nd or 3rd. Ogando will probably return to the pen as the workload last year wore him down after 3 months. Feliz is a big ?... He just doesn't have enough pitches in my opinion to be a starter, but he could be improving them as we speak, so we shall see. Lewis gave up the most HR's in the league last year, hoping he will bounce back and locate his pitches better.

      Should be a very interesting Spring for the Rangers.
      • Ryan 3 months ago
        Feliz has several pitchers we never see because he is a closer, and therefore throws heat. When he was playing AA and AAA ball he had a wicked slider and a pretty good curve. That along with his heat he will be great at the bottom of the rotation... Remember the kid was a starter his whole life until he was a ranger.
    • king_cat  •  Fredericton, Canada  •  4 months ago
      He's no sure thing but he's definitely worth an aggresive pick. The ADP is most definitely too low.
    • John J  •  Tyler, Texas  •  4 months ago
      "2011, age 24 —18-6, 1.44 ERA, 0.828 WHIP, 232.0 IP, 276 Ks, 36 BB, 5 HR"

      Awesome signing for Texas
    • Trigga Play  •  4 months ago
      I think Kennedy is the better value there, but Darvish should still be a steal that late.
      • winz! 3 months ago
        Truth, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Darvish outperform him. I'd love to get both pitchers that late.
    • mds  •  3 months ago
      Whoa Andy. We need a NSFW label on that Y! Radio audio clip. I had to turn down the volume when Brad started talking about "lower body girth".
    • A-Dub  •  Phoenix, Arizona  •  3 months ago
      I think it might be best to take advantage of the hot start he'll most likely get off too and sell him high before the all-star break. I don't trust those late summer months in Arlington for an unproven commodity. But if he starts out good enough and I can flip him for a nice NL pitcher and/or good bat I'll take the chance.
    • A Yahoo! User  •  Washington, District of Columbia  •  3 months ago
      Are you kidding me, 36th amongst starters? I'll actually own him everywhere
    • Frank Cox  •  Shawnee, Oklahoma  •  4 months ago
      darvish will be great just wait go rangers
    • little  •  Boston, Massachusetts  •  3 months ago
      Do you think I should take with one of my 5 first round draft picks
    • Admiral Cowpollock  •  4 months ago
      Wow ... the dude is 6 foot 5 inches! It's like the second coming of Stephen Strasburg. I'll definitely be rostering young Mister Darvish on at least one team. Thanks for a good report Behrens.
    • dave22  •  New York, New York  •  4 months ago
      I don't know the specifics of the FSTA draft, but I think Kennedy is much better than 35th in standard leagues. I know in most drafts I will be participating in, Kennedy will go around 5th round, and Yu around 6th, and that seems about right to me. Personally, I'm slightly more with the "experts" philosophy of waiting on pitching, so I would go a round later than that on both pitchers and therefore, probably won't have either on my roster in 2012.
    • Kyle  •  Allendale, Michigan  •  4 months ago
      I like this kid a lot. One thing I'm worried about though...is he even uses that hesitation when pitching with runners on base. Seems VERY easy to steal on.
    • mds  •  4 months ago
      Ian Kennedy will be tough to beat as long as he continues to defy the BABIP odds. Wandy, not so much. I'll let you borrow this one, "I like Yu".
    • Mike R  •  Chico, California  •  4 months ago
      I think your projections are fair, but "owning him everywhere" would scare me. I hate putting that many eggs in one basket, especially with a player that has only 13 innings of experience against the type of hitters he'll face this coming year.
      • Lee Majors 4 months ago
        Yeah, I don't usually go all-in on any player. But if he's in the 28-35 range during draft season, I doubt I'll be able to avoid him.
      • Mike R 4 months ago
        Back of the envelope listing of starters I'd take ahead of him: Halladay, Kershaw, Verlander, Sabathia, Lincecum, Lee, Grienke, Shields, Weaver, F. Hernandez, Hamels, Gallardo, Kennedy, Haren, Beckett, C.J. Wilson, Lester, G. Gonzalez, T. Hudson, Price, and Cain. That's 20, and the last jour of five of them are very close calls with Yu (what do we call him, btw? YuTube? The Whirling Darvish? Hmm). I'm sure I'm forgetting some guys but yeah, if he's out there in the 20s you pretty much have to grab him based on the team context, youth, and overall upside.
      • Mike R 4 months ago
        There's the buzz factor, too... you play with experts, I play with amateurs. He'll likely last longer in your drafts that he will in mine. I can almost guarantee you that one joker will take him in the top 10 pitchers in my draft. Probably that way for most of us trolling our way through life in these leagues...
    • Bob  •  3 months ago
      I'm in a different league, not fantasy, where all of the current crop of players are owned. I have the #2 pick in our draft and I plan on taking this guy (works for my league where we have 16 teams that already have 40 man rosters). If Nolan Ryan, who has forgotten more about pitching then any of us posting here will ever know, gave Darvish 112 million dollars while being in an ownership position, i.e., its HIS money, I'd have to say that's a pretty good indication that for any league whatsover, Darvish has been given the ultimate thumbs up. This isn't Cashman or Epstein spending other rich people's dollars. Other then keeping that dopey manager who gave away the World Series, Ryan has done a specatcular job building Texas. He let C.J. Wilson leave as part of this. Anything could go wrong. But added in here is the tremendous pride Japanese players have in proving they can play in our Major Leagues. He's not an American player with a "Thank God I Have My Money Now" attitude. He's playing not just for himself and his team, he's playing for his country. If he remains healthy, I expect to him to be very successful and be a solid major league starter, who will now receive even better training and tutelage then he received in Japan.
    • P.j. Gregory  •  Cleveland, Ohio  •  3 months ago
      I think he's going to have his hands full. But his stuff is absolutely filthy, his numbers are unbelievable even if you take into account the level of competition, and you could add a full run of ERA and some points to his WHIP and you'd still have a great pitcher. The thing that impresses me is that he does NOT screw around with a funky delivery like Nomo or Dice-K did, he just bears down and throws heat at you. He'll be fine. He'll inevitably have an off-night where he'll get his arse handed to him, and I'll be curious to see how he responds to that. But I think he's going to emerge as the ace of that staff within a year or two.
    • martin s  •  Pompano Beach, Florida  •  3 months ago
      yankees are the real losers---needed a dominant ace--Darvish was the pitcher---Time will tell!!!

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